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Paul S

Paul S

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Ive always wonderd, why did honda use the smaller capacity K20 as a base in the euro R? The fastest and flagship of the 7th gen.They could have made a beast if they tuned the K24, instead they put a bigger engine in the second fastest one, with less power?
 
Because outside of japan they didnt think that the rest of the world would want another accord tyre r.so they built the cl9 as a good all rounder.so it could be brought as a company.but i think tax stopped that,and most people would be happy enough with it,also if that had tuned the engine and gearbox,then the cl9 would of probably out sold the ep3,honda wouldn't want that.

Its not just about the engine,cl9 gearbox is very long,no lsd,not much fun.


In japan they knew that there would be a good market for the euro r
Plus if both cars are stock,the euro r is something special,more raw,racey,more power,revs and a lot more fun
 
I was at the pre launch for the 7th gen accord in Swindon and there were two euro r models there. Either it was a huge tease or Honda Europe did consider a European release at the time.
It was this point where Honda became boring in Europe in my opinion. We had not long lost the prelude and the dc2 integra replaced with the civic type r and the very quick but twitchy s2000.
So many damaged s2000's came through the dealership in the first couple of years it was scary.
 
Oh yes I understand its not just about the engine, the euro R has many other ***ets to its name LSD, gearbox ect, but they could have still had all that plus a tuned K24, even if only in japan, that wouldv'e been up there with the scoobys in terms of pace, so yeah probably comes down to outperforming/selling the ep3.
But thats a good thing isn't it?
 
Andyjdmteg said:
I was at the pre launch for the 7th gen accord in Swindon and there were two euro r models there. Either it was a huge tease or Honda Europe did consider a European release at the time.
It was this point where Honda became boring in Europe in my opinion. We had not long lost the prelude and the dc2 integra replaced with the civic type r and the very quick but twitchy s2000.
So many damaged s2000's came through the dealership in the first couple of years it was scary.[/quote

That is a lot of models lost there, I didn't realise it was so many.
I soppose they are making up for it with the new 300 bhp turbo civic now, but it be nice to see a full fat AWD type R accord.
After all ford had the escort and seirra cossies didn't they
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The reason why they sticked the K20 and not K24 is because the engines are different in characteristics. The K20 was designed as a performance engine from the outset, the K24 is a cruiser engine in the mould of a lazy V6. The K20 is a proper performance drivetrain as it was designed to be, so it makes no sense to redevelop the k24 and make new gearbox just for a small limited production of the Accord for just one market. The K20 is also lighter and more revvier with higher redline.
 
I soppose yeah if the K20 is there ready developed from the civic before it, may as well use it, no extra research cost.
 
For me Hondas golden age in the uk started in 1991 with the first vtec civic and crx and ended abruptly in 2001/2 with the demise of the dc2 and prelude. Ep3 is quite fun I've owned one but nothing beats the scream of the b18c in the dc2 or the roar of an h22a lump.
Always wanted an accord type r but something else always came along and now it's too late !
 
Yes I bet thats a good motor, 2.2 litre, 210+ hp, nice box, decent torque.
What do they rev to stock?
 
Im not sure its to late for the accord type r,i hope to test drive one next week,see if all the fuss about them is true.
If i like it,i will probably get one if only for 6 months.if i really enjoy it then i will get a 6th gen euro r,and mod like crazy

They say the ch1 fd is to long,but that can be changed.

8000 rpm i think

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https://youtu.be/jOVp5vGBg_8
 
You wouldn't be disappointed with a CL1 Euro-R, they're bloody lovely. Really happy to be using mine as a daily :wub: such a good balance between performance and practicality. Can't complain about the noise from my mugen exhaust either!
 
Andyjdmteg said:
Always wanted an accord type r but something else always came along and now it's too late !
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Never too late, always good ones out there for the 2.5-3.5K mark.


Paul S said:
Yes I bet thats a good motor, 2.2 litre, 210+ hp, nice box, decent torque.
What do they rev to stock?
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Its a really great all rounder, proper Type-R,

H22 is a brilliant engine, Rev limit to 7200RPM


ukcl9 said:
Im not sure its to late for the accord type r,i hope to test drive one next week,see if all the fuss about them is true.
If i like it,i will probably get one if only for 6 months.if i really enjoy it then i will get a 6th gen euro r,and mod like crazy

They say the ch1 fd is to long,but that can be changed.

8000 rpm i think

Skip the first half

https://youtu.be/jOVp5vGBg_8
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Best way to do it, test drive one, I am sure you will love it as I haven't come across anyone who doesn't.

The FD is fine IMO, I don't find it long at all.

No idea why you would go for the CL1, you will just be paying more JDM scene tax for a car thats no faster or better handler.


ukcl9 said:
True but i have a cl7 euro r.with lots of mods,including a lovly sounding toda exhaust,but i wonder if going to a ch/cl1 will be a step backwards.thats why i need to have a go in one
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The CH1 is more raw than a CL7, if you are into luxury and toys, you won't get it in the CH1 as its more focused for the driving hence its often called one of the best FWD drivers car (Y)
 
My biggest problem with a Euro-R is that it's an import and you don't get them same back up from the manufacturer in terms of parts supply. That's why at the time i went for the newest ATR I could find.

The only regret I had from my time as an ATR owner was right at the end when I sold it.
 
Where did yours go in the end, abroad? Such a shame, will never be seen again!

Although with the Euro R I would have ***umed, baring exterior body panels, most of everything is identical to Type R, so parts you can buy from dealer can be used no issues.
 
If you're on the lookout for a top example, our very own Simon is selling his after some 7 years of ownership. I remember test driving this when he first got it.. And he's just maintained and improved it to a very high standard over the years.

Not sure if you can view the Facebook post

https://www.facebook.com/simon.roots.31/posts/10154173930293958
 
my integra dc5 is an import and all you need to buy parts from honda is the chassis number, EuroR should be even easier as most parts are shared with the UK car
 
exec said:
Where did yours go in the end, abroad? Such a shame, will never be seen again!
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Doncaster, which is sort of abroad as they do talk funny. A good guy who is a proper Honda enthusiast and has a couple of CRX's.

I had a guy who was coming from France the following weekend but he didn't want to send me a deposit to secure it. He was gutted when I told him I'd sold it, but it was his own fault.
 
Pottermus said:
The only regret I had from my time as an ATR owner was right at the end when I sold it.
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Past ATR owners always regret selling theirs it seems. They always want another.
 
Shuthan said:
Past ATR owners always regret selling theirs it seems. They always want another.
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As much as i like the car and still miss it, I don't think I would buy another.

It would be like going back to an ex girlfriend. Nice for a while but then you would remember why you give her the push the first time around. I think it's better just to have fond memories.
 
Pottermus said:
Doncaster, which is sort of abroad as they do talk funny. A good guy who is a proper Honda enthusiast and has a couple of CRX's.

I had a guy who was coming from France the following weekend but he didn't want to send me a deposit to secure it. He was gutted when I told him I'd sold it, but it was his own fault.
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Oh thats good then, at least it didn't vanish somewhere abroad. Wish I had bought it.
 
Pottermus said:
As much as i like the car and still miss it, I don't think I would buy another.

It would be like going back to an ex girlfriend. Nice for a while but then you would remember why you give her the push the first time around. I think it's better just to have fond memories.
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How come you won't have another?
 
Shuthan said:
How come you won't have another?
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I just can't imagine me ever buying another. As fun as they are, they're really old and without the refinements I want from a car now. I've done the fast(ish) saloon part of my life and I'm equally as happy with my leather clad diesel estate car now.
 
hi I'm new to this i have a 2003 accord euro r and i was reading that its easier to re-flash my ecu and cheaper to do so as well instead of getting a kpro.
I am interested can someone guide me on how to get this done, I'm getting ready to do some head work with skunk2 stage 3 cams with skunk 2 valves and retainers would it be possible to do a flash and get a map for those boltons.
 
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