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#21 honda_saj

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 10:46 AM

I am certainly not wishing to mislead anyone

The OP has asked has anyone had a DPF removed and refitted - I have, and so have answered to the best of my ability.

I am afraid you are wrong - it is illegal to remove the DPF, eg. you may fail your MOT and you may be prosecuted under the regulations - it doesn't mean you will, but you are liable. I pointed this out as the reasons why I (I underlined I) decided to renew my DPF - you will also see that I said the OP might well have a different view, and that would be up to them.

Here is the source for my assertion that the removal of the DPF is illegal (the government) -https://www.gov.uk/g...s-guidance-note

Here is the relevant passage:

" Legal requirements and the MoT test From February 2014 the inspection of the exhaust system carried out during the MoT test will include a check for the presence of a DPF. A missing DPF, where one was fitted when the vehicle was built, will result in an MoT failure. A vehicle might still pass the MoT visible smoke emissions test, which is primarily intended to identify vehicles that are in a very poor state of repair, whilst emitting illegal and harmful levels of fine exhaust particulate. It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Regulation 61a(3))1 to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to meet. Removal of a DPF will almost invariably contravene these requirements, making the vehicle illegal for road use. The potential penalties for failing to comply 1 with Regulation 61a are fines of up to £1,000 for a car or £2,500 for a light goods vehicle".


Could you give a source for your ascertation that it is not illegal to remove the DPF and that with software manipulation it is OK? - where do you get that from?

If you modify your vehicle and don't tell your insurer (and I doubt that you will tell your insurer that you have made your vehicle illegal to drive on the road because you have removed your DPF), then, as we all know, your insurer would be delighted to refuse to cover you in the event of a claim because you have omitted to inform them of a modification.

So, I really don't see where i could be said to have been misleading

Fair enough I hope by your comments you don't break the speed limit and never have done anything illegal in your life. I still disagree but then we can be have differences of opinion as the quote said who said removal you can actually disable and still have dpf in vehicle you go on about law but the law is not straight I hope you can take some time to educate yourself by doing some research on legal terms legalese

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 12:44 PM

Of course I break the speed limit and yes, I have done a few illegal things in my life.

 

If I do something 'wrong' then I have to take the consequences - I am just pointing out that there are consequences if you remove your DPF and take the car on the road.  I agree, its up to the individual to measure the risk and make their own decision, that's up to them.

 

I still haven't seen your source which says you can do so legally and with impunity.

 

Your link doesn't help the OP's original question one bit.

 

Anyway, we can agree to disagree, no point in this running further.

 

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:51 PM

More likely getting blocked

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 10:42 PM

It could actually already be removed you know
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 10:51 PM

I encountered this issue when I was extremely short of funds, I opted for an aftermarket DPF which then failed in 30000 miles /18 months.

Then after that it wouldn't regen so I had it removed after a short conversation with Fahad (nice chap). (Although not actually removed by him sorry Fahad) it was done by a company called Avon Tuning which was more accessible for me to drive to in limp mode.

The car has been perfect ever since and last week passed my [taxi] MOT with zero advisories, not even on smoke.

Needless to say, owning a diesel now a days is something you have to think about before purchase.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 11:07 PM

It could actually already be removed you know

How would I know that? all I can say is that it goes like a scalded whatsit, and I have witnessed a regen in the rear view mirror. If and when I come up to you, and you find it's not there will there be a NO CHARGE. LOL



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Posted 15 March 2017 - 07:25 AM

Hi, thanks for all the advice.

 

As I'm keeping my car for a long time I'm reluctant to pay £1000 for a DPF that might only last 5 years. If it was a more reasonable cost then perhaps there wouldn't be so many DPFs being removed.

 

The nearest place to remove DPFs for me is Avon-Tuning. A question for DazTheMe and anyone else that knows them, are they a good company and what are your experiences with them.

 

Thanks



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Posted 16 March 2017 - 08:06 AM

They've done plenty of 8th gen Accords, the service was really good and they're happy to answer any questions you have. There's a waiting room with a TV and a PlayStation for while you wait and a kitchen area at your disposal.

I've not had a single problem since the remap in December.

I believe they use elite remaps software which has I *think* is the same software Fahad used (i think i read this somewhere on the forums)

After speaking to then and looking at the amount of positive feedback from their Facebook page ect i was fully reassured.

There is a guy local to me who says he can do it as he's done it for one of the other drivers on our taxi firm, and from what I've heard if he pushes it too hard the EML comes on, probably as a result of trying to map it too aggressively and breaching the torque limiters.

Sorry got abit of track, yes ide highly recommend Avon Tuning.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:02 AM

They've done plenty of 8th gen Accords, the service was really good and they're happy to answer any questions you have. There's a waiting room with a TV and a PlayStation for while you wait and a kitchen area at your disposal.

I've not had a single problem since the remap in December.

I believe they use elite remaps software which has I *think* is the same software Fahad used (i think i read this somewhere on the forums)

After speaking to then and looking at the amount of positive feedback from their Facebook page ect i was fully reassured.

There is a guy local to me who says he can do it as he's done it for one of the other drivers on our taxi firm, and from what I've heard if he pushes it too hard the EML comes on, probably as a result of trying to map it too aggressively and breaching the torque limiters.

Sorry got abit of track, yes ide highly recommend Avon Tuning.

 

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:57 AM

This dpf saga goes on and on, can anyone put numbers to the claims of removals?? or replacements??



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Posted 15 January 2018 - 07:53 PM

Hi guys

          Looking for some divine intervention and advice......

 

 Dreaded light has just com on with the exclamation mark. I have vehicle around 2 years and although it is 2010, DPF has been replaced by local mechanic with original Honda part. Total came to around 1400, also had service done.

 

Is in normal for these to fail so soon  ????   Granted, its fitted jus over 2 years, but seriously thought it would have lasted a bit longer...

 

Thoughts  ??



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:49 PM

There's no exact science I'm afraid, many variables affect their lifespan. You've done well at 2 years, in my experience they fail just after the first year on a replacement part.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:34 AM

Only real options are replace or remove if you're keeping the car. Or you could take it to a well known auto centre for a
"DPF clean" which includes a regen I think. But it won't last long, maybe weeks maybe a few months. Then part ex it. However immoral that sounds. 🏃

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:26 AM

Only real options are replace or remove if you're keeping the car. Or you could take it to a well known auto centre for a
"DPF clean" which includes a regen I think. But it won't last long, maybe weeks maybe a few months. Then part ex it. However immoral that sounds.

Seems like lots of diesels with DPF issues are already being dumped in PX!

 

My father bought a 9th gen diesel Civic last year that, unknown to him, has had its DPF removed. Now his garage have warned him that it is unlikely to pass the next MoT because the test is being altered later this year to specifically detect cars that have had their DPFs removed, eg there will be a proper test of diesel particulate emissions.

 

Be very careful when buying a secondhand diesel to check that the DPF is present and working.



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:33 AM

Hi. I had the dreaded DPF light come on at about 100k miles, a trip to Honda Lincoln for a DPF regen and £100 lighter. All OK for about 150 mile then light back on, another free regen. then 50 mile light back on, Honda said a new DPF and that will be £1500 sir!!!. Found on the web that you can buy non OEM DPF's for about £400 http://www.cats2u.co...ticulate Filter Anyway phone local indi Honda garage who said it could be replaced with genuine Honda DPF for about £1000, non Honda for about £800 both with a year warranty. Or have it removed sent away and cleaned with a life time warranty for £600, if it fails again i only have to pay removal/refit labour -£75. Since that has been completed I have done about 2k miles with no issue. The local indi was Riccardo Emiliani Lincoln 01522 531735

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:57 AM

Hi. I had the dreaded DPF light come on at about 100k miles, a trip to Honda Lincoln for a DPF regen and £100 lighter. All OK for about 150 mile then light back on, another free regen. then 50 mile light back on, Honda said a new DPF and that will be £1500 sir!!!. Found on the web that you can buy non OEM DPF's for about £400 http://www.cats2u.co...ticulate Filter Anyway phone local indi Honda garage who said it could be replaced with genuine Honda DPF for about £1000, non Honda for about £800 both with a year warranty. Or have it removed sent away and cleaned with a life time warranty for £600, if it fails again i only have to pay removal/refit labour -£75. Since that has been completed I have done about 2k miles with no issue. The local indi was Riccardo Emiliani Lincoln 01522 531735

 

That option sounds very good, but was it cleaned or cleaned out??



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:34 AM

Hi John. Good question? my understanding was it was cleaned out? in that all soot and other crud was cleaned out so no DPF light, so effectively a new DPF at a fraction of the cost.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:34 AM

Hi John. Good question? my understanding was it was cleaned out? in that all soot and other crud was cleaned out so no DPF light, so effectively a new DPF at a fraction of the cost.

when I say cleaned out! I mean have you still got one in there??



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Posted 18 January 2018 - 02:53 PM

Hi John. It is still installed with cleaned internals. Took about four days total inc sent away cleaned and returned and refitted. Garage said the the company is a subsidiary of Euro Car Parts.

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 03:33 PM

During an MOT, how difficult is it for a mechanic to check for a DPF?

 

I barely know what a DPF looks like(!)but I understand that it is a fat part of the exhaust system and contains like a honey-comb of tiny tubes to catch the particles. Rather than remove the whole unit and replace it with a pipe, couldn't one just, of not remove all of the honeycomb, simply drill a few large holes through them all and close the unit back up again?

 

Sometimes "the law is an ***" and if the car can be reprogrammed to pass the any actual emissions tests, then I can't see what the problem is.


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