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#1 luvmyaccord

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:21 PM

Right, this is the Eibach thread. I have started it at the request of CJ. Can anyone else who has had their car dropped on Eibachs please post their experience.

I got my car (ATR) dropped on Eibachs about 6K miles ago.

Handling:

Before it handled better than ANY car i'd ever driven but after WOW!!!! Just Wow. It feels like a go cart to drive. The response of the steering has definatly sharpened. The turn in's better and the feel of the car while in the corner is just superb. It really has made a HUGE difference overall. Apart from over (No speed boasting please- edited CJ)

Ride comfort:

The ride comfort is actually better than it was before it got dropped. It's firm, but not uncomfortable. It actually more comfortable over ANY road surface i've driven her on. These range from Run-ways to A and M roads to little back roads. Obviously don't expect the handling to be the same as a proper 'comfort car', but the ride quality is just superb and at no point while driving with them have i ever said 'Wow i wish she still had standard suspension'.

Value for Money:

Right, the springs cost me £160 for a set of 4. Fitting was done at mates rates, but usually wouldn't cost more than say £20 a corner. They also have a lifetime warrenty

Styling:

Obviously the car looks lower :lol: I've actually measured the drop and i got a 30mm drop on the fronts, and 25mm on the rears.

Hope this thread/post has been helpful

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:27 PM

Are these available for the CL7? my shape Accord? and what are peoples recomendations? the last thing I want is to mess up the camber and start getting uneven wear, I always buy top branded tyres and need them to last properley...

P.S. Si was that over 125mph done on my private runway which I let you use for the day? :lol:

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#3 luvmyaccord

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Posted 21 August 2010 - 10:29 PM

P.S. Si was that over 125mph done on my private runway which I let you use for the day? ;)

:lol: B) :lol: :lol: :lol: B) It was done on a family friends airfeild in Great Ashfield.

Not too sure if you can get them for your car mate. I'll have a looksie a little later and let you know.

Suppose i should have added that i have no camber issues and the wear is still even.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:16 PM

Good write up Si.

Jav, yes of course you can get them for the 7th gen - that's what a lot of the guys who have lowered have fitted. Bear in mind lowering your wll alter your cars geometry, regardless of the brand of springs.
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Posted 21 August 2010 - 11:21 PM

Here you go Jav

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 09:04 AM

Good write up Si oooh im so temped. :)
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Posted 22 August 2010 - 11:57 AM

Ok right, here goes.....

I've been running my Eibachs for well over a year and somewhere over 20k miles. I'll follow Simon's layout, as that seems a good way of breaking it down. My comments are obviously based on running these springs on a Tourer.

Handling:

I always felt my car was a decent handler for such a big car, but it wouldn't be putting it too strongly to say the Eibachs have transformed it. Before it had good grip but felt like a typical FWD car; reasonably agile, good grip but ultimately understeer if you pushed hard.

I'm used to it now, but I was astonished at the improvement when I first had them. The is now a strong feeling of 'bite' from the front end when cornering hard. what I mean by that is at the point at which the car would normally overwhelm the grip from it's front tyres, you can now clearly feel it digging in hard, and still having more turn-in if you want it where before you'd be scrubbing into understeer. I'm talking about to the point where the front is holding on so hard that you can feel the rear coming into play. It never develops as far as actual oversteer, but you can certainly feel it moving enough to help, which was never the case before. Through very tight corners, the fact that it's a big car takes over but through medium and fast corners it is fantastic.

I'll happily take anyone for a ride to demonstrate at one of the meets and I honestly think if you've only ever been in an Accord with standard suspension, and especially if you only been in a saloon, you'll be amazed!

Ride Comfort:

I'll start by pointing out that I'm also running 18" rims with 40-profile tyres which has a bearing, but again I was amazed at the ride comfort compared to stock springs. The car is firmer of course, but it is no way harsh or crashy. This is a very subjective issue of course and very much down to individual preference, but I actually prefer the ride quality on these springs. A little firmer yes, but also more controlled, and more than worth it for the improvement in handling.

There is one area I'd criticise though. Surprisingly it's not round town, but on the motorway. At higher speeds over the typical undulations you get, there is a bit more vertical movement than I'd like. To be honest, to me it felt like the car was now under-damped compared to the springing. I've since replaced the standard shocks with a full set of Koni Sport Yellows which has improved but not completely solved the issue. I stongly suspect this issue will be unique to the Tourer and is probably due to it being such a long car but with little weight at the rear when unladen.

Vaue For Money:

For the springs alone, great. I paid £165 for mine. For fitting, I chose to have them done at Wheels In Motion so that I could have a full alignment check done as well. This obviously added quite a bit to the cost, but for me it was worth it for the peace of mind. The car is now running some negative camber, but nothing excessive and to date I've had no issues with it.

Practicality:

I've had no issues with uneven tyre wear, and no issues with bottoming out even when fully loaded. The car has also sailed through two MOTs with no issues since fitting them.

Styling:

Before:
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After:
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As you can see, they don't drop the car as low as coilovers do, but that being said, this pic was taken just after fitting and the car has since settled down a touch more. It's still a massive visual improvement from before, and in my case this is our family wagon and does get fully loaded on occasion and also ferries my two little boys around, so to go any lower / firmer would possibly compromise the use of the car for me.

All in all, one of the most enjoyable mods I've done and if you are fancying the idea of lowering your car and can't afford coilovers, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:11 PM

I give the tourer diesel perspective.

I got mine lowered a little bit after Matt (hobester) as the sneaky chap managed to bag the last set Eibach had (yes they use the same springs for 2.4 and 2,2 ictdi). Eibach had to make more so its took a few weeks so I got mine done in November 2009.

I kept the std dampers when I changed the springs and I must say for me it took a good 1k - 1.5k miles before I felt they had fully settled and I was comfortable with their performance.

Handling:

Its a big car the tourer and the diesel lump doesnt help the weight issue at all. Im with Matt it hasnt tranformed the car, with 18's it always had good grip and performed well. However with the Eibachs it has less roll and feels more controlled with a noticable ability to push the car that little more.


Ride Comfort:

Its a bit firmer and with std dampers I agree with Matt has a little more rebound over severe motorway undulations than I would like. However they perform well and dont compromise in one area too much.

Vaue For Money:

Well you can grumble at £165 for the kit

Practicality:

No issues what so ever, rear neg camber is out by 2 degrees but havent noticed any severe tyre wear.

Summary

Well worth getting and has transformed the looks of the car whilst improving the ride and not compromising comfort. If only the rebound on motorwar undulations could be sorted they would be superb.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 03:12 PM

I fitted Apex springs on mine in May this year.

Do you want some info on these; or are we going to leave this thread for Eibach only?

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 03:23 PM

No go ahead Andy, it was more springs only experiences we are trying to gather I think.

I think most peeps went for Eibachs as they are well regarded and popular, thats not to say we dont want to here peoples experiences with other makes.

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 04:17 PM

Ok heres my input then.

Like i said i fitted Apex springs in May this year, i had them fitted by a friend of my brother in law for £50 which was a bargain to be honest.
I was glad i didnt try to DIY it, as on the last one he did (OS front) the bolt head sheared off on the fork assy # 19 on the drawing, we ended up replacing the whole fork assy # 11 on the drawing
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I then removed the sheared off bolt at work, so i have spare if any one needs one.

Afterwards i had it fully aligned, like Monks i have some negative camber on the rears but it's within spec (plus i like the way it looks)

Handling:
A huge improvement it feels much more planted to the road and i feel like i get more feedback through the wheel, i feel more inclined to push it a bit more now.

Ride:

No problems there it is firmer but not too firm; i actually prefer it that way, the only down side is on the motorway, same as the Eibachs there i'm afraid but not much of a problem for me really.

Value:
£105 delivered + £50 fitting + £40 for alignment - i didn't have to pay for the fork because he got it through work:)

Practicality:
No problems there either; i was a bit worried about speed bumps as i have to drive over about 10 on the way to work every day, but i clear them ok.

Summary:
Well worth it: it has totally transformed the look of the car - its much more agressive now and the best bit is i dont have the gap between the tyre and arch any more.
You can really notice it when it's parked alongside other cars at work and i get allot of positive comments about the car, quite often from complete strangers at car parks/petrol stations etc. which is nice....B)

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 11:03 PM

Good write up Andy.

I'd be interested in going for a ride in yours if we're ever at a meet together just to compare. I noticed the Apex springs when I was researching into it and they are definately cheaper than the Eibachs but didn't know so much about them. Good to hear they're working well for you.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:53 PM

Hi guys, have fitted H&R ultra low 50mm springs to my SE, must admit threw my camber and more so toe well out, so far infact i never noticed the inside edges of my 19's wearing out until it was just about to late :ph34r: . the ride height is spot on for me, the ride is very hard but cant be to bad as missus hasent had a moan,i myself are more for show than go.Oh forgot to mention also on standard dampers, now done 54000Miles, still originals.Will get pictures up for members to see as have noticed these arent used a lot.Can understand why at the price £235 but i have used them before on other cars and they lower what they say unlike other companys ones i have used in the past where the angle grinder has had to be released, not that i advise that kind of behaviour!!!!! :blush:

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:09 PM

H&R are well known for making top quality stuff mate, they're one of the best established in the business..

I'm running a Honda A Spec kit in my diesel saloon but might be worth starting a seperate thread on that if someone is really interested.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:25 PM

Yep Fahad that would be good so peeps thinking about the various options get all ideas / opinions.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:11 PM

Nice views and comments guys, and Si, thanks for the link, so lowering is cheaper than I thought, Fahad, who fitted your kit mate?

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 11:40 PM

Here you go lads.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 02:28 PM

Good write up Andy.

I'd be interested in going for a ride in yours if we're ever at a meet together just to compare. I noticed the Apex springs when I was researching into it and they are definately cheaper than the Eibachs but didn't know so much about them. Good to hear they're working well for you.


Thanks Matt,

Yeah if i ever get round to attending a meet you are more than welcome mate.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 07:28 PM

Likewise Andy. I took a few people out in mine at the last HH meet, always welcome ;)

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 01:14 AM

Guys can I just add that I had a rear camber problem my tyres like Jav's were wearing on the inside. Having weighed up the options and read posts from peoples experiences I opted to try the eibach adjustable rear camber arms with my standard type s suspension. I spoke to dcdezign and they assured me they would be fine. Alnug fitted them at the drury lane meet th alignment was done and to be honest I have noticed a marked improvement in the handling no more jitters when cornering the thing just seems to hold the road much better. So if you are worried about a camber issue then I don't think you need worry. I am getting new tyres shortly so I'll be able to comment more when they've been on a while.
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