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Hello

I need to buy a replacement turbo-charger for my HONDA ACCORD (model: EX I-DTEC, 2199 cc, Diesel, Year: 2008)

Do any of you have any advice on where to buy one?

My local garage is quoting "£1000 to £1300" for a "reconditioned" one, which would come with a good guarantee. However given that the car has done over 100,000 miles and is 10 years old it's probably not worth spending that sort of money on the car. Particularly, given that the sensor for the DPF has gone and would cost over £410 +labour to replace the sensor.

So I was thinking of risking it and trying to source a "second hand" turbo off a crashed car with low mileage.

Any thoughts?

J

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Overall I am extremely disappointed with my Honda Accord. I orginally bought the Honda because, although they are [let's be honest] fractionally dull cars, I was told by a friend that Hondas are "extremely reliable" and that during the latter half of their life spans you can get extremely cheap motoring from them.

I do like my Accord. Yes, it's physically larger (longer, wider & heavier) than I need, but it handles well and is extremely comfortable on long journeys. MPG is reasonable too. And I particularly like the cruise control which helps steer the car, even though when it's off the steering IS quite heavy.

But now it's suddnely becoming extremely expensive to maintain. And my local mechanic is advising me to sell it ASAP.


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Fwiw, the same friend says that in the last 12 or so, years Honda Accords have become much less reliable than before and he has now abandon the make. He now raves about the Peugot 406. Evidently the later Peugots are terrible, but the 406 and ONLY the 406 was extremely reliable. If you believe him.


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For anyone who has read my previous threads about the turbo, the turbo is now running vastly better. So clearly Revive or Mechanic-in-a-bottle or SOMETHING I did must have worked at least in part. However it does still rattle/whine/sing at 2200RPM when at full torque and the mechanic told me that the spindle is somewhat loose. So although I am glad to have got the thing the 500 miles drive back to home, clearly the turbo does nonetheless need replacing.
 

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I think he means the ADAS system. I have this on my EX. Its where the car steers itself and radar is used to adapt speed of vehicle when cruise control is on.
 

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Option #1 eBay a lower milage turbocharger, fit and sell the car.

Option #2 eBay a lower mileage turbocharger and fit and keep the car and face DPF problems. Presuming you aren't willing to face a "permanent solution".

Option #3 eBay auction the car as is and cut your losses.
 

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saj said:
I think he means the ADAS system. I have this on my EX. Its where the car steers itself and radar is used to adapt speed of vehicle when cruise control is on.
Exactly right. It works great on a long motorway journey, but doesn't work well on smaller roads as the sensor have trouble seeing the lane.
The down-side is that even when the system is switched off the car does feel very heavy to steer. Yes, you get used to it but compared to other cars that have very light power steering the Honda Accord feels very heavy. I got it checked out but evidently they are all like that.
 

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Well it is a heavy car so steering is going to be heavier. It is electronic the power steering rather than pump and belt driven. I quite like the feel and feedback you get from the steering.

For a 2009 car, I think the tech on it was and probably still is quite ahead of other manufacturers. Turbos and DPFs can be complex bits of kit.

I've not heard of Peugeots being reliable, but then its al down to how the car is driven and taken car of. I'm very particular about my cars and do as much of the maintenance I can myself and look after them very well indeed. Saying that, I've had the alternator go on mine and some other bits and pieces. I still think its a very good car.
 

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DazTheMe said:
Option #1 eBay a lower milage turbocharger, fit and sell the car.

Option #2 eBay a lower mileage turbocharger and fit and keep the car and face DPF problems. Presuming you aren't willing to face a "permanent solution".

Option #3 eBay auction the car as is and cut your losses.
Do you recommend eBay for everything? I'm having trouble using eBay.
If I type in my car's reg, it tells me the car is a
"Honda Accord 2012
MK VIII [2008-2012] Estate2.2i-DTEC
Estate2199ccm 150HP 110KW (Diesel)"

The problem is that the car is from Dec 2008, not 2012!

It is an estate car but how do I find out what variant my car is?
e.g. is it "MK VIII [2008-2012] Estate" or "MK IX [2008-2012] Estate"

Either way the parts that come up definitely don't all look like they'd fit my car.

Btw, does "Refurbished" mean the same thing as "Reconditioned" ?


B. What do you mean by a "permanent solution"?
- My local Honda dealer quoted me £2,673.46 to fit a new turbo. Autotrader value it at £3,870 based on good condition, which it probably isn't as it has a few scratches etc.

I have received some offers for second hand turbos on the 1stChoice Parts marketplace. They are coming in at c. £200 to 300. The main problem is how are we supposed to know who we can trust as I can barely find any online reviews of any of the suppliers.

e.g. There was a USED one from "RECYCLE MOTOR SPS" in Bury for £152, with a 2-month guarantee, 58000 miles, 2010, no history...
[EDIT: Wait I've just found some reviews on google they sound good! 4.8* from 37 reviews]

e.g. OR there was a RECON one for £350 from "Car Specialist" in Oldham for £350 with a 12-month guarantee. But I can't find any reviews for them.
 

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saj said:
I think he means the ADAS system. I have this on my EX. Its where the car steers itself and radar is used to adapt speed of vehicle when cruise control is on.
His a 2008 model? must be a "special" Mine is a 2011 no ADAS OR OTHER GIMMICKS, (radar) just cruise control and steering is not affected by anything except for my hands.
 

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His a 2008 model? must be a "special" Mine is a 2011 no ADAS OR OTHER GIMMICKS, (radar) just cruise control and steering is not affected by anything except for my hands.
Yes, mine is from Dec 2008.

I think the "EX" stands for "EXecutive". Either way, it has leather seats, a sun roof, and when you put it into reverse a TV camera picture pops up on the Sat Nav screen. I only discovered about the reverse after I had bought it!

Also FWIW, the left hand mirror dips to show the curb when you put it into reverse, but it only does that if you have the adjust the left hand mirror slider control button in the position that selects the left hand mirror.

All in all quite a nice car ...which I am reluctant to lose unless I have to!
 

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I don't "recommend" eBay for everything, but it's a very good platform to find car parts, especially used from breakers. As you said, you're looking for a reasonable option and £2,673 doesn't sound like a reasonable option.

Here are the search results for Honda Accord Dtec Turbochargers

Alternatively the part number you're looking for is 18900-RL0-G01

There seems to be a lot to choose from, including replacement cartridges.
 

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ship69 said:
Yes, mine is from Dec 2008.

I think the "EX" stands for "EXecutive". Either way, it has leather seats, a sun roof, and when you put it into reverse a TV camera picture pops up on the Sat Nav screen. I only discovered about the reverse after I had bought it!

Also FWIW, the left hand mirror dips to show the curb when you put it into reverse, but it only does that if you have the adjust the left hand mirror slider control button in the position that selects the left hand mirror.

All in all quite a nice car ...which I am reluctant to lose unless I have to!

All as above, have you found the storage bins in the transmission tunnel yet? and the lumber support on the drivers seat, and when opening or closing if you hold the appropriate button down for three seconds all the windows and sunroof will open or close, they say the Chinese are clever but those guys in Japan take some beating. LOL
 

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You might actually be better cutting your losses and selling it as it is and let someone else fix it. Consider how much you’ll end up spending plus the waste of time, and whether you’ll actually recover all that if you were to sell it as a fully working car. Nothing wrong with secondhand turbos, but as with anything secondhand you need to ensure there is some warranty or evidence of it having had a decent life.
 

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The main trouble with selling my car is that I have no idea what I would buy to replace it! So I'm just going to repair it for now, whilst I gather my thoughts.


Re my turbo, in the end I went to a site called "1st Choice Spares" and having submitted what I was looking for, I got about 11 quotes for second hand ("used") and the occasional "recon" turbo.

The supplier I chose in the end - albeit pretty reluctantly - was "Cats and Carbs UK Ltd" from Stoke On Trent. Apparently my turbo is a "Honda Accord Turbo Garrett 782217" and they say that they have "remanufactured" one from new Garrett internal parts. It has cost me £375 +VAT.

Cats and Carbs don't have too many reviews of any sort online but the few that they do have don't seem too bad - unlike many other 2nd hand parts companies.

One wrinkle is that I HAVE to return the old turbo or else I get charged a further £120 "surcharge". So clearly part of what they are doing is recycling old parts. On the up-side they are giving me a "2 year unlimited mileage guarantee for both parts and labour". They will also tell me what went wrong to damage my original turbo.

On the down-side, I imagine that the damage to the turbo may well have been caused by a blocked DPF. And if/when the replacement turbo ever blows up in the future, they are bound to blame some other part of the engine and therefore claim it wasn't their fault (even if it is!).

Reluctantly I suppose I'd better remove the internals of the DPF in case it does block up again, it's if my car is ever in an accident or for some reason is fully inspected by the authorities and the take the DPF off they will be able to see that the DPF has been physically removed, which feels like a worse crime than programming it out in software. The other problem is that I fear that I can't really sell a car with no physical DPF.

Thought: Given that my DPF has in fact now been cleaned, maybe I should look for a second-hand DPF sensor too. I was told that only Honda make them and that they cost over £420 just for the part, however maybe I could get a second hand one, and re-program it back in. That way I could have a fully emissions compliant car again that I can sell without a care in the world.
 

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ship69 said:
The main trouble with selling my car is that I have no idea what I would buy to replace it! So I'm just going to repair it for now, whilst I gather my thoughts.


Re my turbo, in the end I went to a site called "1st Choice Spares" and having submitted what I was looking for, I got about 11 quotes for second hand ("used") and the occasional "recon" turbo.

The supplier I chose in the end - albeit pretty reluctantly - was "Cats and Carbs UK Ltd" from Stoke On Trent. Apparently my turbo is a "Honda Accord Turbo Garrett 782217" and they say that they have "remanufactured" one from new Garrett internal parts. It has cost me £375 +VAT.

Cats and Carbs don't have too many reviews of any sort online but the few that they do have don't seem too bad - unlike many other 2nd hand parts companies.

One wrinkle is that I HAVE to return the old turbo or else I get charged a further £120 "surcharge". So clearly part of what they are doing is recycling old parts. On the up-side they are giving me a "2 year unlimited mileage guarantee for both parts and labour". They will also tell me what went wrong to damage my original turbo.

On the down-side, I imagine that the damage to the turbo may well have been caused by a blocked DPF. And if/when the replacement turbo ever blows up in the future, they are bound to blame some other part of the engine and therefore claim it wasn't their fault (even if it is!).

Reluctantly I suppose I'd better remove the internals of the DPF in case it does block up again, it's if my car is ever in an accident or for some reason is fully inspected by the authorities and the take the DPF off they will be able to see that the DPF has been physically removed, which feels like a worse crime than programming it out in software. The other problem is that I fear that I can't really sell a car with no physical DPF.

Thought: Given that my DPF has in fact now been cleaned, maybe I should look for a second-hand DPF sensor too. I was told that only Honda make them and that they cost over £420 just for the part, however maybe I could get a second hand one, and re-program it back in. That way I could have a fully emissions compliant car again that I can sell without a care in the world.
If I needed my turbo sorting I'd probably source a reliable refurb company and take it to them, arranging some temp transport if needed.
DPF, Don't worry about it, I was sold one with no dpf and didn't have a clue. if it had failed its mot how could they have proved that I had it removed?
 

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UPDATE

The new turbo that I bought from Cats & Carbs for £450 (incl VAT) seems to work just fine. The acceleration performance is certainly no better than the original turbo. I am getting about 52MPG on the motorways at 70 MPH. Mind you I haven't been driving the car very hard...

I must say that following the recent chipping to the engine it does seem rather more noisy and I swear that the diesel rattle is louder than before...

J
 

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Take it back to whoever did it, chances are they’ve damaged or removed your cat with the dpf. That will cause these issues. Also ask if they’ve increased the power output on your map as that will change the profile of the boost maps.
 

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Not if they’re doing the test properly, although these Honda engines are extremely clean compared to most other diesels of the same generation. They might not have removed the cat but my experience tells me it could well be that.

Stand behind the car with the engine running and if the smell is particularly pungent and even burns your eyes a little then you’ve got your answer.
 
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