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Hi lads.

Gonna get my new VSA module/pump ***embly fitted soon.

My garage has the above tool, does anyone know if when the new module is fitted, the fault codes and lights automatically disappear, or if the diagnostic machine can clear the dreaded 66-1 - or, dare I say it, do I have to go to a Honda garage?
 
You will have to clear the code. But the garages tool should do it as even basic code readers can clear fault codes.
 
Thanks Rob.

I got the part off eBay, the seller claimed it was in working order, but I intend to have it tested before I put it in the car.
 
moob said:
Thanks Rob.

I got the part off eBay, the seller claimed it was in working order, but I intend to have it tested before I put it in the car.
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How would you test it before putting on the the car?
 
Shabz said:
How would you test it before putting on the the car?
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Using the same system the likes of BBA Reman use. However, just found it the place local to me can't do this.

So...in the car it goes - fingers crossed, will find out later on if all ok.
 
OK - just got car back from garage.

VSA warning lights are still on. However, the diagnostic is not reporting any error codes this time.

What it looks like, is that the VSA switch on the console has broken (somehow) and will not depress properly. What I reckon is that the VSA is thereby permanently switched off, thereby causing the lights to come on.

The other difference is that when I cycle through the trip computer readings - the VSA light doesn't come on in the bottom trip display until I move through all the options (drive time/mileage etc). Beforehand it used to come on after every item was displayed at each button press - so I reckon the VSA module is working.

I now need to get a feckin VSA switch.

Total expenditure thus far: £500.

Beginning to think I'd be better off buying the part from Honda at this rate.
 
Can't imagine a switch should be too expensive. Check out Holdcroft Honda.
 
The switch shouldn't be that much and its just a plug and play i think as Rob said give HH a ring 1st.
 
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but I would have thought the switch would default to on when restarting the car. I think if VSA is turned off when you turn off your car when you restart the car it is activated again. Therefore the button maybe fine. Hope it is the button though. Fingers crossed!
 
Paul the Bobby said:
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but I would have thought the switch would default to on when restarting the car. I think if VSA is turned off when you turn off your car when you restart the car it is activated again. Therefore the button maybe fine. Hope it is the button though. Fingers crossed!
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Nah, the switch doesn't function properly - you know how when you press it, it engages lower into the console - this switch doesn't. Agreed however that VSA should be on as default, but methinks this is related somehow - or more I hope. The behaviour of the trip computer leads me to believe the vsa fault is gone, coupled with the fact the Snap-on diagnostic reported no fault codes - all this despite the lights being on.

I looked at Lings to get an idea of cost, and they want £38 :rolleyes: I have a friend who works in parts at a local Honda dealers and will ask him to get one for me.
 
Well at least it doesn't feel right so everythings pointing towards it then. Maybe the snapon can't read the manufacturer specific code for the broken switch hence why the light is on but the equipment is saying no faults. Hope so anyway.
 
Paul the Bobby said:
Well at least it doesn't feel right so everythings pointing towards it then. Maybe the snapon can't read the manufacturer specific code for the broken switch hence why the light is on but the equipment is saying no faults. Hope so anyway.
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It was the same diagnostic that picked up the 66-1 the first time it was diagnosed - so at least I know that no longer exists - dunno if a duff switch would even show up on that tool - who knows these days?!
 
I'm now having a rethink on this - the VSA OFF switch - does it actually sit into the console when you press it - or is it what's known as a soft touch button?

I don't wanna buy one of these @ £38 if I don't have to and I might just need someone to clear the codes in the ECU properly.
 
moob said:
I'm now having a rethink on this - the VSA OFF switch - does it actually sit into the console when you press it - or is it what's known as a soft touch button?

I don't wanna buy one of these @ £38 if I don't have to and I might just need someone to clear the codes in the ECU properly.
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It doesn't sit into the console. It stays the same, on or off.
 
Nuno - thanks very much for that information, very helpful.

I've only just thought it might be an idea to check if the traction control works, and it turns out it does! So, the part is fine, just remains the issue with the warning lights being stuck on my dashboard.
 
I know that the air bag error codes must be erased with the HDS hardware (Honda's own program and interface). Don't know if it's the case with the VSA. Did you used the car already? I read somewhere, that the car can indeed erase some codes by itself, once the problem is fixed, but it takes some time to the ECU to adapt.
 
Yeah, I've been out in it this morning and booted it from a standing start on a number of occasions and it didn't wheel spin once. I'm taking it to the dealer next week to hopefully get these lights off my dash board.
 
how does our traction control actually manifest itself?
 
Dan Robinson said:
how does our traction control actually manifest itself?
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You never experienced it Dan?

Basically, when you put a heavy dose of power in lower gears - 1st + 2nd, the amount of power would normally cause the wheels to spin - the VSA kicks in and causing what I would describe as a slight judder instead - which by my understanding of how it works is the system is reducing the power to the wheels stopping them from spinning through excessive power output.
 
OK, bad news.

Just got car tested at Honda dealer and fault 66-1 is still coming up.

Not sure what to do next - other than try and get a refund from the breaker for the part and possibly my expenses for the labour.

Considering going to dealer to pressurise them into petitioning my case with Honda, given I've bought two cars from them totalling £20k.
 
Pepster said:
have you check the other thread on here to see if you car is within the extended warranty ?
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yeah - was over it like a rash - it's out of spec by a mere 2.5k miles (when 1st diagnosed) and Honda aren't interested.

I've posted a few rants about that on other threads, due to Honda's inability to answer multiple emails on the topic.
 
Pepster said:
aaah yes I recall then your out of luck bud did you call and speak to them over the phone.?
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Yep, they phoned me and said because I hadn't been loyal to Honda by not having my car serviced by their dealers, I wouldn't be eligible for any help.

I have however attempted to escalate my case with them - but they still haven't replied, even though I got the name of one of the CS staff and told to forward my email for his attention.
 
Pepster said:
then the chance of any GOGW from Honda are very limited bud :( once they have decided your car isnt eligible they put a marker on that VIN.

It also just shows how inconsistent Honda can be when dealing with GOGW some case on here, they have proved no service history members have had timing chains , exhaust manifold and etc approved.

This is despite the owners having remaps on their car, IMHO owners with remap should be automatically be refused to extended warranties.
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Indeed - but I am pursuing them on a number of fronts - I will have some satisfaction from them, even if it isn't any kind of GOGW.

1. Claiming I would be eligible for ***istance had my car been serviced by their dealer is a breach of EU Law.
2. The part has clearly been shown to be sub-standard - potentially not fit for purpose.
3. the part is a non-serviceable part - so mileage should not come into the equation.
4. The mileage caveat is questionable given the nature of the intended use of the car - i.e. executive tourer aimed at the high mileage market.
5. Honda USA did a complete recall for the same fault.
6. Their CS has been poor due to lack of replies to countless emails - and a staff member lying about not receiving an email when I have her personal email address attached to a return receipt.

I think there are a couple of other points, but you get the idea!
 
Had car looked at in a local Honda dealer last night - fault code 66-1 showing. :(

Contacted ebay seller who states he was sure it was working as he removed the unit himself from a car with no lights on - suggested I have the sensors and wiring checked.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 66-1 only refers to the pressure sensor within the module and has nothing to do with the wheel sensors - the lad from the Honda garage said sometimes they need cleared however to clear the module fault - although they maintain it's broken.

Seller now wants me to send part to him so he can refund (understandably) but this will cost me another £115 to have it removed then postage - thinking about pursuing him via ebay for consequential losses as he claimed the part was tested and working prior to my purchase.

All in all, this is a feckin nightmare.
 
I believe you're correct with the code referring only to the abs pump as sensors would trigger other codes. If Honda can't clear it then the part is faulty. I'm not sure how you'll stand with eBay/paypal to be honest. They'll probably only give you the original cost back (from past experience). Have you asked him for a contribution towards the removal fee's? Long shot I admit.
 
Paul - waiting on his reply to my last message - sent him my side of things - he seems a decent bloke - also sent him pics of the lights on in dashboard and the unit within the car.

Will update when I get it.
 
moob said:
Had car looked at in a local Honda dealer last night - fault code 66-1 showing. :(

Contacted ebay seller who states he was sure it was working as he removed the unit himself from a car with no lights on - suggested I have the sensors and wiring checked.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 66-1 only refers to the pressure sensor within the module and has nothing to do with the wheel sensors - the lad from the Honda garage said sometimes they need cleared however to clear the module fault - although they maintain it's broken.

Seller now wants me to send part to him so he can refund (understandably) but this will cost me another £115 to have it removed then postage - thinking about pursuing him via ebay for consequential losses as he claimed the part was tested and working prior to my purchase.

All in all, this is a feckin nightmare.
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Hi Rob,

Posted an update on the other thread and then saw your update on this one. My 'ebay pump' was just like yours, described as 'tested and working', but produced same fault when fitted to my car. BUT, these 'potentially' faulty units can develope the fault at any time and I reasoned that it could easily have been the removal or re-installation process that caused the fault to appear on the 'new' pump. I didn't bother contacting the ebay seller and simply sent it to ECU Testing for test/repair. They found the fault (in the metal body of the pump) and repaired it (for £350+VAT) and sent it back. I'm still waiting to arrange a time for my mechanic to fit (there is a 2 year warranty on the repair). My mechanic didn't charge me for the first pump swap (as it didn't fix the fault) - I'll pay him when he fits this repaired unit! So far this has cost me £250 for the ebay pump and a further £350+VAT for the repair. Probably around a ton for the fitting later. Not cheap, but much much better than the price of a new pump and having Honda fit it. Just to rub salt in, my car has now developed 'kangaroo' tendencies now and then (hard acceleration under load up hill) and I'm replacing the IMRC valve after reading other threads. 'Isn't it nice when things just work' - I wish. Thanks Honda!!!

Cheers, Jerry
 
Hi Jerry,

Sorry to hear you've had similar problems as myself - it's a nightmare!

My ebay seller has agreed to source a new unit for me within a specified timeframe, here's hoping he does it soon. Otherwise he's agreed to a refund.

Hope all your issues are resolved soon.
 
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