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I've taken the picture below from Wikipedia as it's very similar to the way the double wishbone system works on the Accord 7th gen (I can't speak for other gen). I could have put Wikipedia's picture as a direct link, but I've copied it to my photobucket just in case it ever changes on Wikipedia. Hope I'm not infringing copyright.
The main drawings on Lings are:
A. FRONT KNUCKLE/UPPER ARM here Note: FRONT KNUCKLE is also known as "wheel carrier arm"
B. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER here
C. FRONT STABILIZER/ FRONT LOWER ARM here Note: FRONT STABILISER is also known as "front anti-roll bar"
The picture above is on the front right of a car, and the diagrams in Lings are front left, so you'll have to swap them round when looking at them.
In the description that follows, I've used A,B,C above in front of the item number from the Lings diagram
e.g. B1 refers to item 1 in B. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER ....so B1 = the spring.
See the Lings diagrams for the item numbers.
The orange parts in the picture are A5/A6 (upper arm) and A2/A3 (knuckle) and C6/C7 (lower arm).
The spring in red in the picture is B1 (spring)
The parts in blue in the picture are B4/B5 (shock absorber) and C11/C12 (bottom fork for shock absorber) and C4/C5 (drop link)
So, the bottom end of the shock/spring/fork is supported on the lower arm, by the bush C10. Obviously the top end of the shock is bolted to the chassis.
The knuckle is held to the upper and lower arms by ball joints A7 and A4 respectively, and obviously the upper arm swivels on bolts A12 (which pass through bushes integral in the arm).
Now to the lower arm. The most typical cause of MOT failure on the Honda variant of this system is bush C8.
Whilst the rear of the lower arm swivels on bush C9, the front of the lower arm is held by bush C8. C8 is bolted to the chassis, and yet C8 is supposed to be held in the arm itself .... by what ?? Answer = SFA. As I mentioned in the other thread, my MOT man (who I've been going to for 25 years) told me that only Honda and Hyundai (I think he said Hyundai) mount this bush the wrong way. Normally, the bush comes through the lower arm from the bottom, so that the bush is pulled into the arm as the bush is tightened into the chassis. But clever Honda rely on fritcion I presume, or superglue :lol:
When the rubber bush C8 starts to warp and split, the arm starts to pull away and move up and down at the front, and eventually erodes more of the bush and starts smashing into the chassis when you go over big bumps or pot-holes. Well done Honda, brillant design engineering !!!
Here are the pictures of A, B, C .....
A. FRONT KNUCKLE/UPPER ARM
B. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER
C. FRONT LOWER ARM
EDIT: doh ... just noticed I put C10 again where I should have put C8. Now corrected to C8.
The main drawings on Lings are:
A. FRONT KNUCKLE/UPPER ARM here Note: FRONT KNUCKLE is also known as "wheel carrier arm"
B. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER here
C. FRONT STABILIZER/ FRONT LOWER ARM here Note: FRONT STABILISER is also known as "front anti-roll bar"
The picture above is on the front right of a car, and the diagrams in Lings are front left, so you'll have to swap them round when looking at them.
In the description that follows, I've used A,B,C above in front of the item number from the Lings diagram
e.g. B1 refers to item 1 in B. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER ....so B1 = the spring.
See the Lings diagrams for the item numbers.
The orange parts in the picture are A5/A6 (upper arm) and A2/A3 (knuckle) and C6/C7 (lower arm).
The spring in red in the picture is B1 (spring)
The parts in blue in the picture are B4/B5 (shock absorber) and C11/C12 (bottom fork for shock absorber) and C4/C5 (drop link)
So, the bottom end of the shock/spring/fork is supported on the lower arm, by the bush C10. Obviously the top end of the shock is bolted to the chassis.
The knuckle is held to the upper and lower arms by ball joints A7 and A4 respectively, and obviously the upper arm swivels on bolts A12 (which pass through bushes integral in the arm).
Now to the lower arm. The most typical cause of MOT failure on the Honda variant of this system is bush C8.
Whilst the rear of the lower arm swivels on bush C9, the front of the lower arm is held by bush C8. C8 is bolted to the chassis, and yet C8 is supposed to be held in the arm itself .... by what ?? Answer = SFA. As I mentioned in the other thread, my MOT man (who I've been going to for 25 years) told me that only Honda and Hyundai (I think he said Hyundai) mount this bush the wrong way. Normally, the bush comes through the lower arm from the bottom, so that the bush is pulled into the arm as the bush is tightened into the chassis. But clever Honda rely on fritcion I presume, or superglue :lol:
When the rubber bush C8 starts to warp and split, the arm starts to pull away and move up and down at the front, and eventually erodes more of the bush and starts smashing into the chassis when you go over big bumps or pot-holes. Well done Honda, brillant design engineering !!!
Here are the pictures of A, B, C .....
A. FRONT KNUCKLE/UPPER ARM
B. FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER
C. FRONT LOWER ARM
EDIT: doh ... just noticed I put C10 again where I should have put C8. Now corrected to C8.
