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If I remove a seat & seat belt is that MOT failure?

phil the greek

phil the greek

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Because of my ongoing saga in trying to replace the nearside rear seatbelt in my Accord Tourer, I will not have the replacement belt in place by Monday when the car has an MOT retest.

If I remove the nearside rear seat in its entirety, seatback (with inbuilt seat belt), seat base and seatbelt buckle, would this be an MOT failure?

The nearside rear seat is the smaller of the two rear seats. The off-side rear seat with 2 working seatbelts would still be in place.

Whaddyathink chaps?

cheers - philip
 
My Supra passed its MOT with the rear seats completely removed. In the Delica I had the rear bench folded up and a dog crate in there, so the seats were there and seatbelts installed but a pain to test them without taking it all out - my friendly MOT man just ticked them as working. :D I think it's an issue with insurance but should pass an MOT.
 
its fine to take the seat out and it cant be failed for not being there but they will test the car as a 3 seater as you dont include the drivers seat tho the drivers seat is tested on the form the tester fills in it asks you how many passenger seats are fitted to the car im a mechanic and i do MOTS for a living for my sins.
atb Alun
hey phil your avitar is that a clip from that most excellent film eraser head.
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Accord-seat-belt-N-S-REAR-2005-/320783688659?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ab032a3d3
 
a seat without a seat belt will fail an mot, a seatbelt without a seat wont fail.

I know this because are old track car was partially stripped when we mot'd it and it passed with only 2 front seats.
 
crespo said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Accord-seat-belt-N-S-REAR-2005-/320783688659?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4ab032a3d3
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That's the one I bought!!!!!! from Apex car breakers - problem is - it's not a seat belt from a tourer (as they said) it's from a saloon. They refunded my money and told me to bin the seatbelt, so if anyone wants a NSR seatbelt for a 03-08 Accord saloon, I happen to have a spare!
 
ALT said:
its fine to take the seat out and it cant be failed for not being there but they will test the car as a 3 seater as you dont include the drivers seat tho the drivers seat is tested on the form the tester fills in it asks you how many passenger seats are fitted to the car im a mechanic and i do MOTS for a living for my sins.
atb Alun
hey phil your avitar is that a clip from that most excellent film eraser head.
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So if they test the car as a three seater, what does that mean? would it pass or not?

Yes - the avatar is from Eraserhead
 
Great film - not seen it for ages. Freak the whatsits out of me thinking about it when the missus was in labour :lol:

As for the MOT - yes I believe you would pass, but it might affect the registration/insurance as the registered details won't match up should you have a prang and subsequently found to have more seats.

But that is only a guess.
 
That's what I heard when I did the Supra, technically should inform your insurance that it's now a xxx seater. I didn't bother though as it was temporary.
 
I am planning on getting the seat back into the car with a decent seatbelt, but I just want the car to pass the MOT on Monday, so I'll go for seat removal then refit it as soon as I can once it's fixed.

Or just put the old seat plus belt back in after the MOT - if you saw the tiny bit of fraying on the edge of the belt.....
 
what a cool movie
if you go on the vosa web site there is an mot manual that you can down load for free or you can look at it on line also lads remember as from the 1st of jan there are a hole raft of new things that your car can fail on.
atb Alun
 
It's not a huge raft, mostly just myth being perpetuated:
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/7796-2012-new-mot-rules
 
HuskyMan said:
It's not a huge raft, mostly just myth being perpetuated:
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/7796-2012-new-mot-rules
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Actually it is quite a big change as listed here.

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-servicing-repair/mot-changes-2012.html

Also as I pointed out in the other thread, these new rules will not be enforced as failures until 1st April 2012.
 
Not sure about things being an advisory till the 1st of april tho vosa have not informed me about it ill check on monday i know that it was touch and go as to all the new stuff coming in as the secretary of state handnt signed off on it before i went on me crimbo hols.
 
The 1st April is quoted in lots of sources.

http://www.lancingcommercial.co.uk/latest-news-lancing-commercial/new-mot-rules-effective-april-2012.html

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/legal--motoring-advice/2011-12/new-mot-rules/
 
ive just found it on the vosa site but ive not had anything through my official messages on the mot computer but then thats vosa for you.
 
ive checked with vosa today and most of the new items are in as the 1st of jan to test but there is a running in period for itens that fall into apendix B of the new test regs hope this helps.
 
ALT said:
ive checked with vosa today and most of the new items are in as the 1st of jan to test but there is a running in period for itens that fall into apendix B of the new test regs hope this helps.
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Yep that's what it said on the Matters of Testing magazine:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2052%20-%20Dec%202011.pdf

Additional Reasons for Rejection (RfRs) for existing testable components will be ready for full use from 1 January 2012. But defects found in completely new testable components (such as electrical wiring and Supplementary Restraint Systems) will be advisory for the first few months.
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Phew, seat removed, MOT passed with an advisory of "Rear N/S seat missing"

New MOT certificate a bit of a letdown - plain A4 paper. Bloke in garage ranting about how they have to buy the paper now.

The price for doing the suspension bushes was:

2 x Lower suspension bushes: £61.56
1 x Anti roll bar link £48.97 (1 of them was knackered)
3.4 hours labour £224

Total was about £335

Garage were moaning like hell about the difficulty in getting the old bushes out of the wishbone suspension arms - they had a 20 tonne press going like crazy trying to get 'em out. They said I was lucky they didn't just quote for new suspension arms at £300 a pop which would have made the bill about £800-£900
 
i had something through from vosa in my in box today telling me about some of the changes to the MOT i think they should be telling me before they bring the changes in not 9 days into the new year they never seem to be in a hurry about anything lol.
 
Found a company who refurbish seatbelts - sent the belt away on Tuesday, they rang today - £45 on the visa and they've replaced the webbing and checked everything and the belt is coming back tomorrow - very quick service - I was impressed.

They are here: http://www.quickfitsbs.com/index.php
 
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