Opened my oil filter on 2 2ictdi and found something
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After furthermore looking it loooks like its aluminim in there the magnet doesnt pull it. I looked this morning at the new filter after yesterday installing it and it looks clean no aluminium material.
I wan to mentioned 2 weeks ago car was in small accident where another car pulled in and cut me off so i ended up in ditch both fenders bent and as well tie rod bent and lower control arm bent and subframe got sma damage.
Could this be a reason for aluminim to be in engine where maybe some stuff got bent and ended rubbing with timing chain? Is that even possible?
I wan to mentioned 2 weeks ago car was in small accident where another car pulled in and cut me off so i ended up in ditch both fenders bent and as well tie rod bent and lower control arm bent and subframe got sma damage.
Could this be a reason for aluminim to be in engine where maybe some stuff got bent and ended rubbing with timing chain? Is that even possible?
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Did the car end up on its side, engine still running ?
If so one if the chains may have moved around on the tensioner guide or touched the cylinder block wall, though it is all guesswork without a direct inspection.
If so one if the chains may have moved around on the tensioner guide or touched the cylinder block wall, though it is all guesswork without a direct inspection.
It was definitelly on the side under an angle but not the angle the car would tip over. The car after incident shut off i think it was still in foth gear and because of that. But it was working when it was on the angle and the angle would be the same as you emntioned where chain would touch block.
The material in filter looks like they are same thickness it just looks like some sort of film like aluminim film or smth. There are different sizes but the thickness is same.
Should i continue driving and inspect oil filter every few miles?
The material in filter looks like they are same thickness it just looks like some sort of film like aluminim film or smth. There are different sizes but the thickness is same.
Should i continue driving and inspect oil filter every few miles?
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Since the filter is doing its job then there is little else you could do apart from a full inspection, meaning a full stripdown.
Basic tests on the aluminium flakes are unlikely to locate the item that has been chewed unless you get lucky with an endoscope
Basic tests on the aluminium flakes are unlikely to locate the item that has been chewed unless you get lucky with an endoscope
Asking the obvious, but there was nothing that came out with the oil when you emptied the sump?
I have seen flattened flakes like this, and they came from a (crankshaft) bearing that had momentarily run dry. This is not great, but not always fatal. The flakes are generated by the steel surface of the crank contacting the actual aluminium of the bearing. They are momentarily caught in the bearing and flattened and broken up by the pressure of the power strokes coming down on them. This is why they are all the same thickness.
If you have an insurance case running for the accident, you should probably get a mechanic to write a report for you.
With overhead cam engines, when a sump pickup runs dry it tends to be the top of the engine that suffers first. I repaired an engine once that had run out of oil, but "saved itself" by pinching the cam, which then skipped a few teeth on the cam belt and stopped the engine from compressing and firing. This would not happen on a chain driven cam system, but the flakes could have come from the cam bearings as well. There were no flakes in the car I worked on as rotation stopped stopped instantaneously.
You likely should inspect the cams (relatively easy) and sump (a bit more involved) before driving. Or you can take a risk, buy a decent amount of oil and filters do a lot of oil changes while crossing your fingers.. it doesn't matter a huge amount if you buy a lesser quality oil if you are changing it every couple of days. Put decent stuff in when you are not seeing any more flakes and specs.
It is a ****ty bit of advice to give, but be slightly more prepared for something failing in this engine. If you feel any unusual vibrations, it could be a damaged bearing failing. It will shed more flakes if that happens though.
I have seen flattened flakes like this, and they came from a (crankshaft) bearing that had momentarily run dry. This is not great, but not always fatal. The flakes are generated by the steel surface of the crank contacting the actual aluminium of the bearing. They are momentarily caught in the bearing and flattened and broken up by the pressure of the power strokes coming down on them. This is why they are all the same thickness.
If you have an insurance case running for the accident, you should probably get a mechanic to write a report for you.
With overhead cam engines, when a sump pickup runs dry it tends to be the top of the engine that suffers first. I repaired an engine once that had run out of oil, but "saved itself" by pinching the cam, which then skipped a few teeth on the cam belt and stopped the engine from compressing and firing. This would not happen on a chain driven cam system, but the flakes could have come from the cam bearings as well. There were no flakes in the car I worked on as rotation stopped stopped instantaneously.
You likely should inspect the cams (relatively easy) and sump (a bit more involved) before driving. Or you can take a risk, buy a decent amount of oil and filters do a lot of oil changes while crossing your fingers.. it doesn't matter a huge amount if you buy a lesser quality oil if you are changing it every couple of days. Put decent stuff in when you are not seeing any more flakes and specs.
It is a ****ty bit of advice to give, but be slightly more prepared for something failing in this engine. If you feel any unusual vibrations, it could be a damaged bearing failing. It will shed more flakes if that happens though.
So I just filtered the oil with a cloth, which came from the yesterday's engine 5.3liters, and there wasn't much metal at all, no big bits I could see, just small and tiny and not many. that's what cloth caught. Looks like the oil filter did a good job on filtering.
I am still waiting for a call from the insurance company to give me an estimate. They took pictures of the car and recorded that the engine was running and no check engine lamp. since then i fixed that car new bumper fenders and suspension components and took a car for a road trip of 700miles (1000km) and after that did 200 miles (350km) and yesterday did oil change.
I will see how the filter will look after 250miles (400km), which would be on Friday, since i do 50+ (90km) miles a day.
I am still waiting for a call from the insurance company to give me an estimate. They took pictures of the car and recorded that the engine was running and no check engine lamp. since then i fixed that car new bumper fenders and suspension components and took a car for a road trip of 700miles (1000km) and after that did 200 miles (350km) and yesterday did oil change.
I will see how the filter will look after 250miles (400km), which would be on Friday, since i do 50+ (90km) miles a day.
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Keep all details/receipts for the work you are doing to prevent engine failure for the insurance claim.