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Hi
My first proper posting.
I have recently bought a
Honda accord 2.2 diesel estate 2004 as a non runner.
Two previous owners have had a go at it and now it is my turn.

Basically it turns over fires and will not run.

Here is a list of work that has been carried out.

Crank sensor replaced.
Camshaft sensor replaced.
New genuine fuel filter.
Injectors removed and tested 3 ok and one replaced.
New fuel pump.
New pressure sensor.
New metering unit.
New pressure relief valve.
Replaced engine wiring loom.
compression test.
second hand Ecu and imobiliser programmed by Honda.
Timing checked and chains replaced.
Rigged up separate fuel tank.
New battery
Will run for a short time on brake cleaner.
Exhaust front pipe removed to check for blockage.

I am an ex toyota mechanic and have come to a stage that I can not think of anything else.
Even a friend of a friend from Honda who programmed every thing is stumped.

I hope people on this great forum can help me out. I have spent many hours looking through this site.
I don't want this to beat me like it has to the others.
 
without meaning to sound rude, a diesel only needs two things to run; fuel and compression.

You know you have ample compression as you've tested it, so you've a fuel problem.

It says you've tested the injectors, but I'm ***uming this means with them out of the car?

When the fuel system's been removed you have to crank it for what seems like an eternity to get from the fuel pump to the cylinders.
Reckon mine took a good 3-4 minutes of me cranking constantly it till it fired after I did my motor swap.

I gave up once, walked off and made a cuppa.
Went back, cranked it some more and it fired.

That was 22k ago now, and it's been sweet since.
 
Totally agree with Matt.

What diagnostic errors do you have, and is fuel present at the rail when you crank?
 
Forgot to say that there are no fault codes.

Injectors were sent away to be tested after a spill test was carried out as No 1 had a higher volume of spill.

Will try cranking it over for longer and not burn the starter out, more expense.
 
Fingers crossed she runs.
Been asked this before, and it was just a case of cranking the guts out of it till it went.
Hope it's the same for you.
 
Did you try to bleed the injectors and the fuel filter?
Test the max preasure valve on the common rail?
Or it could be a stupid thing like exhaust is blocked


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Cranked it over for ages tonight and got fault code p0335
Going to check crank sensor and wiring. Hopefully it's not the sensor disc.
 
Fuel rail sensor ? pipework to fuel filter back to front ? has it been bled by the bulb and the bleed nut nipped up ?, pull the cam sensor and see if its covered in oil, give it a wipe and put back, it can give the same symptom.
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​Depending on the mileage the intake manifold, swirl pot, and EGR valve get SERIOUSLY gunked up, once you get it running consider doing these items, you will not believe the amount of crud the intake manifold holds, or understand how it ran at all.
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​If you can arrange it, trying a tow start may be better than overheating/ cabbaging the started motor.
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P0355 reads as :-
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​ Faulty crankshaft position sensor
- Crankshaft position sensor harness is open or shorted
- Crankshaft position sensor circuit poor electrical connection
- Signal plate may be damaged
- Starter motor may be faulty
- Starting system circuit
- Dead or weak battery
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​TJ
 
If the injectors have been out, make sure they are refitted perfectly with new seals and seated correctly. You need to log the fuel pressures, I suspect it's a fuelling issue.

I note you say it starts with easy start so you can eliminate a blocked exhaust or inlet, my money is on fuelling.

The crank sensor is likely a red herring as they can throw this error up after long cranking and failing to start.

Do double check the timing as that will affect the injector firing frequency and even a tooth out will cause it to fail to start as the injectors may be firing too early or late.
 
Had a diesel specialist friend of mine plug in a snap on diagnostic.
Getting 50mpa on cranking target said 60mpa.
Carried out spill test no 1 cylinder had the highest spill which is the new one.
We have now taken all the injectors out and he was going to take them away and test them at his workshop.
 
Well there you go. Sounds like you're getting somewhere now pal
 
Found out where they are, drivers side kick panel above fuses. Please can someone have a look at there's and let me know if they have a relay in the bottom left hand corner fuel pump and f1 main as mine are missing but showing on the wiring diagram.
 
Fuse Listing
Started by Utah, Dec 23 2013 09:37 PM

Fuse to Components Index

Under-hood Fuse/Relay Box
Fuse Number Amps Wire Color Component(s) or Circuit(s) Protected
1 10A RED/YEL Left headlight (low beam)
2 30A ——— Control block
3 10A WHT/YEL Left headlight (high beam)
4 15A ——— Control block
RED/BLK Parking lights, Taillights, License plate lights, A/T gear position console light, Ashtray light, Audio-HVAC-display module, Cigarette lighter light, Glove box light, Hazard warning switch light, Headlight adjuster switch light, Sunroof switch light, VSA off switch light, Driver's seat heater switch light, Passenger's seat heater switch light, Navigation unit lights
5 10A WHT/GRN Right headlight (high beam)
6 10A RED/GRN Right headlight (low beam)
7 7.5A ——— Control block
8 15A WHT/GRN PGM-FI main relay 1
9 20A BLU/YEL Condenser fan motor
BLU/RED A/C compressor clutch
10 20A BLU/RED Front fog lights (via front fog light relay), Front fog light relay
11 20A BLU/BLK Radiator fan motor
12 30A RED/BLU Headlight washer control unit
13 20A RED Brake pedal position switch, Ignition key light
——— Control block
14 20A BLK/YEL Rear window defogger
15 40A YEL No. 7 fuse (in the under-hood fuse/relay box), No. 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 fuses (in the under-dash fuse/relay box)
16 15A WHT/BLK Turn signal/hazard relay (via hazard warning switch), Hazard warning light relay
17 30A WHT/RED ABS modulator-control unit (MR+
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, VSA modulator-control unit
18 40A (with VSA) WHT/GRN ABS modulator-control unit (+B FSR), VSA modulator-control unit
20A (with ABS)
19 40A GRN/WHT No. 1, 2, 3 and 4 fuses (in the under-dash fuse/relay box)
20 40A BLU No. 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 fuses (in the under-dash fuse/relay box)
WHT/BLK Front passenger's power seat recline motor
21 40A WHT/BLU Blower motor
22 100A ——— Battery, Power distribution
23 (IG) 50A WHT Ignition switch, No. 12 fuse (in the under-dash fuse/relay box)
23 (P/W) 40A WHT/BLU Power window relay, No. 27, 28 fuses (in the under-dash fuse/relay box)
















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Under-hood Sub Fuse Box
Fuse Number Amps Wire Color Component(s) or Circuit(s) Protected
41 20A WHT/YEL Power tailgate control unit (VMP2)
42 40A WHT/GRN Power tailgate control unit (VMP1)
















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Under-dash Fuse/Relay Box
Fuse Number Amps Wire Color Component (s) or Circuit (s) Protected
1 15A WHT/BLU Throttle actuator control module
2 15A ——— Ignition coil relay
BLK/WHT Ignition coils
3 ——— ——— Not used
4 10A BLU/WHT Air/fuel ratio sensor
5 20A WHT/GRN Audio unit (+
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6 10A WHT/BLU Driver's door courtesy light, Front passenger's door courtesy light, Individual map lights, Driver's vanity mirror light, Passenger's vanity mirror light, Ceiling light (With sunroof), Audio unit (+
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, Right cargo area light, Left cargo area light, Power tailgate inner switch light
7 10A WHT/RED Combination switch control unit, Gauge control module, Immobilizer control unit-receiver, Immoes control unit, Navigation display unit, Navigation unit, Power tailgate control unit, Ultra sonic sensor, Alarm control silen
——— Multiplex integrated control unit
8 20A RED/YEL Multiplex integrated control unit (+B door lock)
9 15A WHT/RED Cigarette lighter
10 7.5A WHT SRS unit, OPDS unit
11 30A GRN Windshield wiper motor
12 10A RED/BLU Rear accessory power socket
13 7.5A RED/YEL Rear fog light
14 20A WHT/BLU Driver's power seat slide motor
15 20A RED/BLK Seat heater and indicator
16 20A WHT/RED Driver's power seat recline motor
17 20A WHT/ORN Front passenger's power seat slide motor
18 15A BLK/RED ELD unit, Secondary HO2S, Alternator, Cruise control unit, CAM sensor, Engine mount control solenoid (A/T)
19 15A BLK/YEL ECM/PCM, Immobilizer control unit receiver, Immoes control unit
YEL/GRN Fuel pump
20 7.5A YEL/GRN Windshield washer motor, Headlight adjuster units, Headlight adjuster switch, Rear window wiper motor, Rear window wiper motor relay, Rear window washer motor, Rear window washer motor relay, Rain sensor, Sunroof open relay, Sunroof close relay
21 7.5A YEL Gauge control module, A/T shift lock solenoid, Back-up lights, Door multiplex control unit, Keyless receiver unit, Power tailgate control unit
——— Combination switch control unit, Multiplex integlated control unit, Door multiplex control unit
22 10A WHT/RED SRS unit
23 7.5A ORN ECM/PCM (LAF R)
24 20A YEL/RED Left power window motor
25 20A YEL/BLU Right power window motor
26 20A GRN/BLK Front passenger's power window motor
27 20A GRN/WHT Driver's power window motor
28 20A GRN Sunroof motor
29 7.5A YEL/BLU Headlight adjuster unit, Headlight adjuster switch light, Headlight adjuster control unit
30 7.5A * Power mirror actuators, Power mirror defogger, Climate control unit, Recirculation control motor, Seat heater relay
BLK/YEL Rear window defogger relay, Blower motor relay, Radiator fan relay, condenser fan relay, A/C compressor clutch relay, ECM/PCM (ACC), ECM/PCM (FANC)
31 —— —— Not used
32 7.5A YEL/RED Audio unit (ACC), Navigation display unit, Navigation unit
——— Rear accessory power socket relay
33 —— —— Not used



* LHD: WHT
RHD: BLK/YEL

hope this helps the box is under the drivers side dash, left of steering wheel. If you have a drivers handbook there is a better guide. This lot relates to a diesel tourer






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Thanks for all the information. I have the wiring diagrams from which I can see that there is two PGM f1 relays listed but looking at mine they are missing. I would like to check with other people what they have fitted.
 
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