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Anyone with CG Dual-Friction Clutch?

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ddinchev

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2004 i-CTDi EX
I changed the clutch on mine after letting it slip for few months 1.5 years ago. Back then I didn't know it's bad for the flywheel. So my Honda mechanic told me the DM flywheel is in bad shape but it will work for some more time. I'm frequently driving abroad so now I'm thinking to change it before it breaks. I also recently remapped to Stage 1.

One option is to get a factory DM flywheel for 400 GBP shipping included and stay Stage 1. Other option is to get a CG Dual-Friction Clutch + solid flywheel for total 700 GBP shipping included, sell my clutch driven for about 30k km for lets say 100 GBP on Bulgarian forums and go Stage 2 as this clutch can handle it.

Now the problem is I drive the car on daily basis around town. Does really the Dual-Friction Clutch feel like the factory one? Does anyone here use such in his i-CTDi?

This is the one (I hope it's not regarded as advertising, it's by far not my aim):
http://www.clutch-specialists.co.uk/dual-friction-kit-for-honda-civic-22-ctdi_p23369287.htm
 
Look who's posting links now ;)
 
I couldn't find many "reviews" there, especially such that have used this kit for longer time (eg at least 30k miles with some remap). The guys that make these kits say that they will last at least as much as the original but being capable to handle the increased torque. Hard to believe given that there are guys reporting gear change problems after 5k for example:

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/cg-motorsport/112464-dual-friction-clutch-issue-2nd-gear.html

Keep in mind I'd order mine to Bulgaria, get it fitted in my authorized Honda mechanic (who said it would be curious to see this "single-mass flywheel that feels like a dual-mass") and then if I have problems I can not rely on CG Motorsport support.

So if any of the guys here have some solid experience with this product, please do share. Any feedback will be most welcome and I guess not only by me, but all of us that have diesels.
 
I see you have joined Civinfo and asking your questions in the CG Motorsport forum. I can't post links, but if you go to page 8 of the thread 'CG Motorsport have done it!!!!' you will see a Civinfo member is having judder and slip problems with their dual-friction clutch (not the twin plate). I find it a bit worrying, as there have been several problems like this reported.

In general, I note there is very little evidence that CGM clutches will last high mileages. I'm not saying they won't, but none have been fitted long enough to tell. Most rely upon the OEM Honda/LUK pressure plate which is a known problem component when the self-adjusters reach the limit of their range and then fail to adequately clamp the clutch plate.

CGM have many fans, but I worry that the high level of enthusiasm for their products is based upon hope and optimism (and a belief in their claims, which can look a little far-fetched). They are a bit vague about warranties as well, and suggest driving 'sensibly' if you want the clutches to last, which is a bit disappointing for a company with the word 'motorsport' in their name.

There is a Civinfo member with an Elite tuned CR-V i-CTDi putting out 250HP/450lb.ft who is on his 3rd CGM clutch/flywheel. Despite this, he is their biggest fan! Unfortunately he has no other choice though.
 
Thanks for the descriptive post Jon_G! I want to explore all my options. Apparently a Dual Friction Kit from CG is 675 GBP shipping included and a kit clutch + DMF is 525 GBP.

I've changed my clutch 35k km ago, but didn't change the DMF (which was already in pretty bad shape). The car had already 220k km on it, it was first clutch change. So for the past 35k I've been driving with new clutch, old DMF, past 15k km I've been driving with Remap Stage 1 and still the DMF is holding (even if progressively juggling more and more). So I start to doubt the superiority of CG DF kit over the default kit which I was pretty happy with...
 
I wrote to CG while ago and asked them "Which kit would be able to handle Stage 1 and potentially Stage 2 remap, staying as close as possible to the feel of the original clutch and be reliable in the long run?" and they offered me the Dual Friction kit. Some people say that they even like more the feel of the 8-paddle kit but they also say they often do "Track Days". I'm not interested in racing my old diesel Honda.
 
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