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HI I have a 2004 2.4 Type S touring with 62K miles. Unfortunately the exhaust is on its last legs and has two small holes at either side. I have been quoted £730 by Honda for a direct replacement from the CAT back which seems rather dear to me. I have had a look about and come across Powerflow who have a dealer near me and are quoting £480 for a custom made Stainless Steel system with 'lifetime' guarantee. I have read the horror stories on the internet about powerflow but most seem to centre around poor fitters rather than the system itself. The guy I spoke to knew exactly the system and said he had made quite a few for 2.4 Accords. I am keen to get a system as near as possible to standard as the last thing I want is to sound like a Maxpower Corsa!
Does anyone have any experience of powerflow on their Accord or advise any other systems suitable? My local dealer is TyreSpot in Newcastle.

Many Thanks

Ivan
2004 Type S Touring
 
Dude. I was in the same boat in May with an exhaust advisory after my MOT. A 2.4 with 65ish on the clock. Took it to a reputable independent exhaust place. They work on all things including lots of custom sports jobs, vintage Supercars and all sorts. While I was there they were doing both air intake and turbo back exhaust on an R33 Skyline with a maaad body kit. It had been on Max Power's cover once.

They put the car up on the ramp and talked me through the exhaust, found the cracks and explained why. There's an A frame type setup where the main pipe splits into two and a mounting bracket goes between the two pipes. The pressure of the bracket pulls on the two pipes and over time causes it to split. They cut the old bracket off, patched up the cracks, made a new mounting bracket and welded it on for £40 + VAT (total of £48). That was insanely cheaper than Honda's quote. Seriously, problem solved for £48!

He also gave the rest of the exhaust a good inspection. Said my straight pipe is fine. My boxes are fine, but the split tail pipes are thin and will likely start blowing (not where he'd patched up, but on the bends) within a year, and he showed me what he meant. Said he can make me a cat-back with 2.5" stainless steel, tuned to a note of my desire with nice looking exhaust tips etc for £400. Still just over half what Honda had quoted and he would guarantee it with after sales care and said it would probably outlive the remainder of the cars economical life in terms of rust etc.

So when the time comes I'll be in touch with him again. It may be I just get the split twin pipe and new back boxes with a nice noise as that's the troublesome area. Or if I'm feeling flush a full cat-back system.

But following this I did some ringing round and the nearest I got was Surrey based Solid Fabrications who other people here have used and come highly regarded. They quoted £500. My local Powerflow quoted £800! So to sum up, I'd say get yourself to a reputable local place and just talk some old boys who know their stuff and aren't trading on branding or image. Plenty of guys here have lovely looking and sophisticated sounding exhausts and haven't spent the kind of money Honda or Powerflow ask.

Good luck with it and keep us in the loop on your progress.
 
Hi Thanks for the reply. My car is booked in at Powerflow tomorrow. They are going to have a good look with me and advise on whether it is economical to repair or whether to go for replacement from CAT back.. Will report back as to what I actually go for. Obviously want a good job but may change the car soon so do not want to pay too much.
Regards
Ivan
 
idrussell said:
Hi Thanks for the reply. My car is booked in at Powerflow tomorrow. They are going to have a good look with me and advise on whether it is economical to repair or whether to go for replacement from CAT back.. Will report back as to what I actually go for. Obviously want a good job but may change the car soon so do not want to pay too much.
Regards
Ivan
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My pride & joy is still on its original system - not bad for just over 9yrs and 96K :) I'm hoping it passes the 10K mark!!
 
The complete OEM run, rear from the CAT, is now £670 !!!! items 2 & 3 here

I did it myself about 18 months ago, back then the complete OEM run was ~£400, and it was only available from Honda. Both my back boxes had big rusty holes in the top, one was big enough to get my hand in. Could only feel the holes when I lowered the exhaust. 2 rubber hangers each box, and a further 2 or 3 on the run back to the CAT. While I was at it, I renewed all the bolts holding the shields.

Good luck with finding a decent patterned part, keep us updated.
 
i need heat shields also, my two either side got a rattle, (thanks to blueguru for his time....:p)

is this a quick fix or do i need to get **** from honda again....?!
 
mine is on 115k or so, there is no rust underbody the exhausts might need to be popped off for an inspection which is what i will probably do and see whats up with the heat shields.

are these absolutely necessary (think of the speed gains without them on LOL)
 
^ stick your hand up there dude and feel how close the top surface of those boxes are to the shields, which are in turn secured to the chassis. Those shields must be there for a reason. You can't get to them until the exhaust is lowered. In my experience, if they're rattling, it's symptomatic of rust around the set-screws that hold them up, and that probably means the top surface of the boxes are getting rusty. If that exhaust is the original from the factory, and you've done 115k and 8 years with them, the top surfaces will definitely be rusting away. It starts with a barely noticeable increase in exhaust note, which you can hear better with the window down. Then eventually you can hear it with the window up. Over the course of a year after you first hear the barely noticeable increase, the hole(s) get so big that it's an awesome noise in the car, then the car's performance starts to drop a bit. If you catch it early, you might be able to get someone to weld some plate over the top surface, but you'd be postponing the inevitable. The baffles inside start to rattle in the end as well. Another thing that will be difficult is gettting the tail finishers off, they are ~£90 each, and the set-screws that hold them on are made of Honda cheese, so the heads disappear.

Here is the system in all its magnificence. When I did it over a year ago, the only place to get everything was from a dealer. I rang around several exhaust places, some couldn't do it back then, and the few that could were about £100 less than dealer price fitted, and they wanted me to pay up front (obviouslty they would then order the exhaust from Belgium, just like the dealers do). As I've already mentioned, items 2 and 3 were ~£400 in total, now they're £670 !!!!

EDIT: you say your chassis isn't rusty, what has the condition of the chassis got to do with set-screws and exhaust boxes ?? Why do non-stainless exhausts and set-screws rust ?? (that's a rhetorical question)
 
I still say, get a custom place to make you one up. It'll be cheaper and probably better than the stock. They can deal with any missing heat shields while they're at it I'm sure.

I forget who, but someone here was saying that the OEM replacement will never be as good as what was originally fitted to the car in respect to exhausts. He worked for another Japanese car manufacturer and explained all about the OEM replacements on things like exhausts are purposely not made to the same standard as the original as it's cheaper to make and will probably not be needed as long as the original part. If the original part last for 10 years, the OEM replacement might last for 5 years. The car's 15 years old then and people won't be so fussed about maintaining it as other problems come up etc etc... I forget the ins and outs, but there was a logic in it and I've since spoken to other mechanics about this theory and they said it's bang on. The OEM replacement parts on certain things will never be the same grade of materials as the original.

So I'm not paying over £600 for an inferior OEM exhaust when, also, my Honda garage were quoting £155 for 2.0 petrol exhaust :eek: . I'm going to get myself a nice sporty sounding shiny exhaust :D .
 
Way to go;)
 
Stevearcade said:
So I'm not paying over £600 for an inferior OEM exhaust when, also, my Honda garage were quoting £155 for 2.0 petrol exhaust :eek: . I'm going to get myself a nice sporty sounding shiny exhaust :D .
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~£400 18 months ago seemed reasonable price. I had to wait 4 weeks for it to come from the factory in Japan (not from Belgium as it turns out), and it looked excellent quality when I got it. It's still nice and clean and shiny under the car now.

But I wouldn't pay over £600 if I could get a stainless made for around that figure.
 
The downside of a custom stainless steel system is a lack of refinement compared to OEM- that's my experience of course. While I appreciated the sporty sound, I found it to be annoyingly boomy at cruising. After only 3 weeks I had to take the back & the back boxes were replaced with quieter ones- better but still boomy. There's a very good thread somewhere by F6HAD on custom exhausts- a must read in my view for anyone wanting to go that route:)
 
This is why you should go to someone you can trust and who won't get off-the-shelf after market stuff. The guy I went to see was great. Talking about tone, he took one look at the baby seat in the back and said "it's an estate which will resonate more noise in the cabin than a saloon and you've a child seat. I wouldn't go loud at all". Said he'd get the note a little deeper, richer and sportier than stock, but not much as it's clearly a family car and I'd only be back wanting changes after a while if it was too loud.

Know your exhaust fitter, that's what I say :lol: .
 
Very true;) How does yours sound when cruising, in comparison with the original one?? Btw, mine doesn't look like a family car lol.
 
I haven't had it done yet. Waiting for the exhaust to start proper blowing (gotta save the money up too :rolleyes: ). At the moment, I don't think it's blowing. If it is, it's tiny, but having just fitted a cold air intake, it's drowning it out :lol: . It was blowing a little and the above mentioned exhaust guy patched it up, but reckoned I had another 12 months before other parts of the pipework started causing me issues. I'll probably get things done in the spring, let the winter take its toll on the rust.
 
Yeah, just keep an eye on it just case;)
 
im gonna get this looked at from the local garage who did my shafts (sorry if that sounds pornographic :unsure: ), 600quid plus for exhaust bits from honda

hahahahahahah
 
I've gone into the loft and pulled out the folder up there with all the invoices and receipts going back to January 2006 when I got the car.

I ordered the exhaust from the dealer on 15th August 2011. The dealer told me that it would be at least 4 weeks delivery, as it had to come from the factory in Japan. I had to pay up front, I am staggered at the low price I paid.

18030-SED-E01 (item 2 on Lings) the main section on the right from the CAT, price now = £483, price I paid = £113 !!!!!!

18035-SED-E00 (item 3 on Lings) the box on the left, price now = £187, price I paid = £113 !!!!!!

i.e. I got both parts of the exhuast for only £226. I did remark to the stores chap at the time, that it was odd that both parts were the same price, and he agreed. I should have bought ten of them, I could be making a fortune on eBay right now !!!!

Anyway I didn't get the parts until 30 September, so just over 6 weeks to come from the factory in Japan. Just by looking I could see that it was a spanking good exhaust just as would be fitted in the factory.

I can only presume that the big price rise is due to the strength of the Yen against the Pound, and also the Fukushima incident affecting supply.
 
freddofrog said:
I can only presume that the big price rise is due to the strength of the Yen against the Pound, and also the Fukushima incident affecting supply.
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I got my quote before the Earthquake. But the Yen is certainly an issue. My Mrs is Japanese and it's really hit hard with things like buying goodies from back home, visiting and other things. But no doubt the halt in Honda manufacturing that occurred after the Earthquake will no doubt play a factor.

That does sound awesome though, the prices you paid.
 
Stevearcade said:
So I'm not paying over £600 for an inferior OEM exhaust when, also, my Honda garage were quoting £155 for 2.0 petrol exhaust :eek: . I'm going to get myself a nice sporty sounding shiny exhaust :D .
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Which Honda garage is this?

My friend is parts manager for one local to me, he has told me a 2.0 tourer exhaust is £340!

Mine is making quite obvious farty noises which it wasn't making the other day, so I believe I have developed a hole. :(

Might see if I can just get a repair done, depending where the hole is.
 
It was a limited time half price offer they happened to be running at the time of my exhaust packing up. Not the going rate I'm afraid. But still, £340 to me seems like a reasonable price when you consider the cost of the 2.4's exhaust :eek: .
 
Stevearcade said:
It was a limited time half price offer they happened to be running at the time of my exhaust packing up. Not the going rate I'm afraid. But still, £340 to me seems like a reasonable price when you consider the cost of the 2.4's exhaust :eek: .
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Shame.

The most annoying thing, is that you used to be able to get it on Honda Happiness for £100!
 
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