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hi All,
i own a diesel 2.2 I-CDTI
I realise the type of oil (as moentioned sevral times in different topics) needed is 0w/30 however i went to Avonvale Honda today and they were adamant on selling me 5w/30 telling me that it is better than 0w/30.
They insisted on recommending this oil instead of the 0w/30 and gave the following reasons:

because my car has done 83k miles 0w/30 will be too thin to cover all the moving parts and because its too thin it will burn quicker and wont last as long as 5w/30
i advised them that the timing chain issue (that CN1-CN2 04 to 05 models suffer from) is caused by not using 0w/30 but they said that this has got nothing to do with it.

Can someone please clarify whether i can use 5w/30 or should i just stick to 0w/30 only
how about 0w/40 is this recommended as an alternative to 0w/30?
Thanks.
 
Agree with CJ 0w/30 and nothing else.My personal opinion i would not be using Avonvale Honda if there telling you to use the wrong oil.
 
We have guys running their cars on 0w/30 with over 200k miles.

And 83k miles is hardly high mileage! I bet the dealers didn't have enough 0w/30 to sell you - either that or they're a bunch of numpties. Can you guess what my money is on :)
 
jeez what happened to technological advancement? Now 83k on a diesel is high miles!
 
Faddy - I'll take option 2 please!?
 
hi there,

can i just ask why the oil has to be a 0W30?

i've had a good old look around the forum and can't seem to find any evidence as to problems created by using a slightly different viscosity? (ie. a 5W30 Mobil1 Super 3000)

when i bought the car i noticed the oil was very black (i didn't realise this was the norm for diesels coming from a petrol car background) so decided to do a mid service oil change and headed down to halfords (i have a trade card, so get oils on the cheap) the little book thing recommended a 5W30 so i bought the best they had (Super 3000) and changed the oil.

that was 4000 miles ago, the car has never missed a beat, it's not blown up, the fuel economy is still averaging 43.3 and it hasn't used a drop of oil.

can anyone enlighten me? i don't have the manual to hand so have not been able to confirm the compatibility of 5W30... my EP3 CTR could use a range of oils that were outlined in the manual, i ***umed the Accord must be the same (and that Halford's little book thing would be correct) - perhaps i was wrong ;)



mat.
 
mat said:
hi there,

can i just ask why the oil has to be a 0W30?

i've had a good old look around the forum and can't seem to find any evidence as to problems created by using a slightly different viscosity? (ie. a 5W30 Mobil1 Super 3000)

when i bought the car i noticed the oil was very black (i didn't realise this was the norm for diesels coming from a petrol car background) so decided to do a mid service oil change and headed down to halfords (i have a trade card, so get oils on the cheap) the little book thing recommended a 5W30 so i bought the best they had (Super 3000) and changed the oil.

that was 4000 miles ago, the car has never missed a beat, it's not blown up, the fuel economy is still averaging 43.3 and it hasn't used a drop of oil.

can anyone enlighten me? i don't have the manual to hand so have not been able to confirm the compatibility of 5W30... my EP3 CTR could use a range of oils that were outlined in the manual, i ***umed the Accord must be the same (and that Halford's little book thing would be correct) - perhaps i was wrong :unsure:



mat.
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In a nutshell the wording in the owners manual is "It is highly recommended that you use genuine Honda motor oil or 0w -30 synthetic motor oil meeting the minimum spec of ACEA A1/B1 it then goes to say using oils other than those of preferred viscosity may adversely affect fuel consumption.

The Turbo has very fine vains and needs a constant oil supply and 0w-30 is better placed to do this.

From the collective experience on the forum, the i-CTDi is not a normal engine it is very refined and whilst it works beyond many peoples expectations it is equally a bit of a diva on what you give it and it has been seen many times over the effect of using the wrong grade of oil.

A recent example would be on this thread
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/1853-brand-new-newbie/,

OK the oil used here was a big no no and was at the very bottom end of oil specified in the handbook, but the guy was going off the professional advice of his garage.

It is also quite a common grade of oil used in many modern turbo diesels VW longlife is 0w-30 if I'm not mistaken.

There will no doubt guys on here who will offer a better explanation, but given the choice always use 0w-30
 
Mat mate iv got to agree with Carl here its not the 4000 miles you done that would cause any damage its the long turn effect.
What is the point of using the wrong grade it might cost less but in the future of the cars life it will probably cost you a hefty bill in repairs.As for the oil being black that is normal.If you drive the car for about 5 min the new oil will be black almost straight away that is what a diesel engine does.
 
Also guys what you must remember if there is any warranty on your car and you are not using the recommended oil by Honda you can kiss any claim for damages.
 
fair enough guys, going to give opie a call when i get a chance to discuss it with them, the guys at opie were very helpful and knowledgeable when discussing oil options for my CTR.

i didn't buy it because it was cheap, quite the opposite as it was the most expensive oil they had in a 5W30 - i only ever used Mobil1 in my CTR and ***umed it would be a good choice for the Accord, should have rang Opie rather than using the halfords thing i suppose!

i have 4 litres of Mobil1 Super 3000 left in my garage, but am happy to let that go to waste and switch to a 0W30 pending the oilmans input.

thinking about it i suppose that the main difference between the 5W and the 0W is that the 5W is not going to offer the same cold start protection as the 0W would, as once it's up to temperature i ***ume it has very similar lubricating properties. so in the current climate, a 0W would be better...

maybe in the summer a 5W30 would be sufficient...?


mat.
EDIT: i think warranty will remain in-tact as 5W30 falls within the range of acceptable viscositys...? - will have to check my manual for clarification on that though...
+ Halfords will have a lot to answer for by only recommending a 5W30 on both their website and in-store.
 
Mat we have a discount section here with opie oils and ludetech but i think you need to get your post count up to view them.If you go on opies web site they will only recommend 0w/30.Lots of members here now are using lubtech oil including myself so when you can view have a look.
 
i noticed that on their site, will give them a call on monday when i can to glean them of info!

have used them before and get discount from CTROC - can't fault them for knowledge and service at all!


mat.
 
Matt, the extra strain that a slightly thicker oil will put on your oil pump and the general flowability through the tight valve clearances is the biggest issue to my mind. Plus in this climate you want optimum lubrication in all weather conditions, especially cold start.

I got my car at 28k from my employer as my ex company car, and I know they ran it on 5w/30 before that. Yes your engine probably won't blow up, but on the last forum we ran there were a few instances of oil related engine failures - so as the guys have said, why take a chance?

I also found my economy imporved after switching to 0w/30.
 
i have no issues about switching oils, but may leave it until the next service (10k since the last one so i ***ume it's pretty soon) and let honda sort it out.

like i say though i will be calling opie to see what they say - and if they suggest a more immediate change i'll get straight to it .

i will refer back to my previous point though, surely a 5W30 has the same properties as a 0W30 once up to temperature?


mat.
 
Also Mat most members here that are using lubtech are doing oil changes every 6k rather than 12.5k that Honda recommend.
 
Opie recommend 0w/30 - we all used to use them.

It's your car mate, you take your chances :unsure:
 
i might change it every 6k, i doubt i will though tbh... almost every journey in my car is 25+ miles, i don't see the point tbh.

i appreciate the extent to which you guys look after your cars though, i was like that with my civic, planning on being a bit more laid back this time... obviously i won't be abusing it (thrashing it from cold, never checking the oil, not getting it serviced on time... etc.) but i certainly won't be treating it like my newborn baby.

it is a honda after all.


mat.
 
To be honest Mat were here to give advice only.The end of the day its your car so you will do as you will.My personal opinion is the oil is the blood of the engine look after it and it will look after you.

Thats all i have to say on the matter.

Regards Brett
 
no problem mate, i appreciate how grown-up you guys are too btw.

i'm a member of quite a few forums and this is one of the more adult responses i have gotten to a discussion such as this, tbh i think i will be changing to a 0W30, it's only going to get colder before it warms up again - and i can pick up some castrol EDGE 0W30 from halfords for about 60 quid for 8 litres, should do the trick.


mat.
 
Mat, yes we are quite a mature community and none of us are really hardcore modders. We generally are very enthusiastic about our cars and enjoy maintaining them to a good standard.

One thing you will learn quickly about this iCTDI engine is that it's not a conventional diesel engine and Honda spent a lot of R&D into building the best most efficient diesel they could. It does mean however that whilst you can use it enthusiastically, it's vital that you don't miss oil changes and only use genuine Honda filters for servicing - especially fuel filters.

It's a very easy car to work on for servicing actually and you'll be amazed how different it feels just after an oil change.

Don't wait till 10k miles for oil changes, go to 8k miles max.

Also, we can get 25 litre 0w/30 small drum of oil from Lubetech for under £90 delivered. It's a great oil and means you have enough for 4 changes so have a think about it.

Get your post count up a bit more and all the other sections will be unlocked including our traders section.

Cheers

Fahad.
 
just read this thread and asked honda for engine oil today - but they only sell in 1L bottles! i don't have full access yet and dont think i can really store big drums of oil anywhere so it looks like i'll be in the shops - apart from sticking to 0-30 are there any preferred brands or good places to purchase? then i can go back to honda for my oil filter and diesel filter.
 
cf69 said:
just read this thread and asked honda for engine oil today - but they only sell in 1L bottles! i don't have full access yet and dont think i can really store big drums of oil anywhere so it looks like i'll be in the shops - apart from sticking to 0-30 are there any preferred brands or good places to purchase? then i can go back to honda for my oil filter and diesel filter.
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Darren,

you should have full access to the forum now, plus the 25 Litre drum isn't that big in all honesty. You need to obtain a discount code off one of the admin. Otherwise Opie oils, and get Motul

You should find all the information on discounts etc in the traders section under Opie oils
 
Like what he said.... 6 x 1 litre bottles don't take much space either when you think about it.
 
Darren the little drum is just that, it's no bigger than a medium sized footstool. You could easily keep it in the cellar or even a pantry. Drop me a PM for the discount code. Believe it or not but even the Honda main dealers will not always sell you 0w/30.
 
F6HAD said:
Darren the little drum is just that, it's no bigger than a medium sized footstool. You could easily keep it in the cellar or even a pantry. Drop me a PM for the discount code. Believe it or not but even the Honda main dealers will not always sell you 0w/30.
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Hi
Got my accord in may last year and very happy with it.
Although I can't find the last service invoice it had I'm sure they didn't put 0w-30 in it.
There for I was wondering if someone can give me the discount code for the lubetech 25 ltr drum?
Thanks
 
5w30 isnt going to harm your engine i run mine on 5w30 there isnt much in the two check page 345 of the owners manual for the difference 0w30 just protects you to a lower temp than 5w30 but we are talking sub zero temps like -25.
 
rogro said:
Hi
Got my accord in may last year and very happy with it.
Although I can't find the last service invoice it had I'm sure they didn't put 0w-30 in it.
There for I was wondering if someone can give me the discount code for the lubetech 25 ltr drum?
Thanks
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Thanks Fahad

Placed my order today.

Any tips for the oil filter, It seems that people are a bit divided between original honda or others like Fram.
 
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