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Has anyone on the forums got a good setup with the 2.2ictdi using an intercooler? Been looking at some universal intercooler kits and trying to work out what could work, essentially just wondering if anyone has done this and if they could point me in the right direction.
 
Monks had a custom setup, another member bought the car from him (the name escapes me now). I think though you are pretty restricted because of the location of it.
 
Well hopefully Monks will see this post and perhaps tell me how he got his set up working I'm sure I'll manage but any knowledge beforehand is good.
 
The more piping you put on there and the bigger the intercooler the more turbo lag you're going to get.
 
It's not as simple as that. Honda have created a very efficient design which has minimal lag and overall best efficiency. It's a dual pass set up.

The Universal kits you are looking at might have a bigger surface area but they're single pass and by the time you route and fit all the longer pipework, you end up suffering from pressure drop and the maps need to push the car harder just to make the same power. There's lots of discussion and testing of this on the Civic forums and the conclusions based on some of our own testing is that the stock IC is the best overall design.

What you can do and this is what Monksy did is to have the stock IC fins reworked for better cooling efficiency. Remove it and give it to a radiator specialist to rework the internals.. even with your Stage 2 EGR OFF, you'll see a difference after doing this.
 
Well there's a guy that had an intercooler setup by the guy over at universalintercoolers.co.uk and after a custom remap he's seeing 222hp.
 
BHPs are easy - it is everything else that goes with it that is the trick ;).
 
Jack said:
Well there's a guy that had an intercooler setup by the guy over at universalintercoolers.co.uk and after a custom remap he's seeing 222hp.
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what other mods has he got on the accord,are you talking about the petrol or diesel accord model which is pushing 220...?
 
It's actually a civic 2.2ictdi and as far as I'm aware the only engine modifications are an intercooler and the remap.
http://www.tdocuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6194&start=165
 
That's Coste, he had a hybrid turbo too mate and recently sold his car as he got sick of it's reliability problems. The car never made those figures on anyone elses dyno anyway, as was proved in recent club dyno days.

Don't believe everything you read on the net.

He now drives a Suzuki Swift.
 
F6HAD said:
That's Coste, he had a hybrid turbo too mate and recently sold his car as he got sick of it's reliability problems. The car never made those figures on anyone elses dyno anyway, as was proved in recent club dyno days.

Don't believe everything you read on the net.

He now drives a Suzuki Swift.
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I thought it wouldn't be just a reworked intercooler and a remap, the hybrid turbo IV looked into too and as you say fahad it seems like the honda turbo is the only reliable one for its diesel models (unless you get a complete custom turbo made up which is big £££)
 
But how did he have reliability issues?
 
Broken clutches and DMF's, excessive smoking to name a few.
 
Just not worth pushing a heavy weight diesel that far imo, get a performance petrol in such cases. Diesels shortcoming is refinement and performance, two things they were not really built for.
 
Salim said:
Just not worth pushing a heavy weight diesel that far imo, get a performance petrol in such cases. Diesels shortcoming is refinement and performance, two things they were not really built for.
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Pah that's some backwards thinking.
 
Not really...why push an engine too far a blow £10k for the sake of it?
 
If you want a car for 'driving' with performance and a usable rev range then buy a petrol. If you want economy and high mpg's buy a diesel. You can't have it both ways. Diesels don't rev and if you're trying to tune one clearly economy, high mpg's, and reliability are going to suffer as they're no longer your main priority. Just buy the right car in the first place and stop trying to make one something it's never going to be.
 
^^ do have to agree with that. Our approach is to tuning is to try and make a good car better, but we don't tune the nuts off them to try and turn them into something they're not. Having said that the Honda's make some very good results and the inevitable comparisons between petrol and diesel versions start.. but the point Matt is making is very valid, buy the car you wanted in the first place.
 
I came from a b16a, I agree with you guys to a certain extent. However diesel cars are most definitely the future of car tuning for the masses. I'm willing to loose some economy and some reliability, I'm already used to heavily decreased fuel economy and reliability so small hits to either of these effects me little.
 
Things is though, like with petroleum, you can only go so far before major upgrades need to be made to compensate for the stresses.

The Accord's transmission is already running close to its limits, and the clutch is am well known weak spot. Faddy's and I ***ume other reputable tuners can work wonders, but you still have the physical limitations of the hardware. The injectors, the manifold, the Turbo, the brakes.....Its a heavy lump of a car.....

And believe me - I like to make the most of Faddy's handy work :D
 
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Dan Robinson said:
Things is though, like with petroleum, you can only go so far before major upgrades need to be made to compensate for the stresses.

The Accord's transmission is already running close to its limits, and the clutch is am well known weak spot. Faddy's and I ***ume other reputable tuners can work wonders, but you still have the physical limitations of the hardware. The injectors, the manifold, the Turbo, the brakes.....Its a heavy lump of a car.....

And believe me - I like to make the most of Faddy's handy work :D
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:lol: IV heard you do bro ;)
 
Jack said:
I came from a b16a, I agree with you guys to a certain extent. However diesel cars are most definitely the future of car tuning for the masses. I'm willing to loose some economy and some reliability, I'm already used to heavily decreased fuel economy and reliability so small hits to either of these effects me little.
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I would have to disagree with diesels being the future of car tuning. The market is moving away from big family cars to small city cars. Most new popular cars are small city cars with petrol engines designed to meet low emissions regulations. Manufacturers have now realised that putting a small 1.4 litre engine with a turbo or a supercharger into a car has far fewer emissions than it's diesel equivalent. Plus you have the added benefit of the turbo or supercharger when you put your foot down which makes it feel like a big engine. Turbo's and superchargers are no longer only the domain of the high performance engines. Look at the Fiat 500 twin air, it has both a turbo and supercharger yet has very low emissions, high mpg's, and good acceleration. In my opinion it's cars like this that will rightfully kill the hybrid market. Diesels need to have EGR valves and DPF's to try and meet the ever tightening emissions regulations which limit their performance and usability to motorways and mile munching rep cars. The small petrol engines with forced induction will be far more tunable than the new diesel lumps.
 
Again have to agree with Matt - mainstream manufacturers are going for smaller more efficient engines as that's really what the masses want.

My own Beemer is point in kind.. a £35k car with a 0-60 of 8 seconds... and it costs £30 a year to tax!! They do this by creating a smaller but more efficient engine, with emphasis on weight saving materials, aerodynamic design, and lots of technology to keep the emissions down. My 520D is on par (in terms of performance) with the 525D of the last generation. The new 525D is a 2.0 diesel 4 cylinder with two turbochargers instead of a straight 6 with turbo..

I know where you're coming from Jack, and diesel lumps are strong and forced induction gives lots of tuning potential but with this particular engine, we've really tapped into most of the power potential. To squeeze any more substantial power out of it you are looking at better possibly hybrid turbocharger, bigger injectors, custom downpipe and exhaust work and yes better cooling..

I don't think anyone is saying it can't be done.. in fact, why not give it a shot and show us what can be done.
 
What about the running gear?

The stock stuff is great, but I do wonder how much further it can be pushed?

Perhaps we should chip for a TA trio of sacrificial Saloons of each engine type, and take them on a club track day?
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Dan Robinson said:
Monks had a custom setup, another member bought the car from him (the name escapes me now).
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Mr Chow, thats his name, that name again is Mr Chow!

He's currently researching a further intercooler upgrade iirc


Jack said:
I came from a b16a, I agree with you guys to a certain extent. However diesel cars are most definitely the future of car tuning for the masses. I'm willing to loose some economy and some reliability, I'm already used to heavily decreased fuel economy and reliability so small hits to either of these effects me little.
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I've got a mate from glasgow that has souped up his diesel. Its a seat ipizza cup arr or something of that sort. Its already some sort of performance diesel as it comes with ap racing 4 pot front calipers as standard apparently! Anyhoo, he's a cad expert and designed his own custom manifold in CAD, sent the specs away to get made and when he got it back he paired it with an audi a8 diesel turbo. Its the one off a 3l or something. Anyhoo that, with a custom intercooler and after sending his injectors away to get reworked, an uprated clutch, gearbox and a remap netted him 300 odd bhp and i cant remember the torque figures but it was in the 400lbft range. It can be done, it just depends if you got the balls to go for it
 
How much did that lie cost? Getting a custom manifold designed from scratch isn't going to come cheap either :lol:
 
Dan Robinson said:
How much did that lie cost?
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Dan Robinson said:
Getting a custom manifold designed from scratch isn't going to come cheap either :lol:
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Who cares, its still possible! You know you want a 350bhp/450lbft wagon! :lol:

Doesn't have to be a cad design. Anyone with a custom exhaust shop and metal working facilities could make up a custom manifold
 
Sorry dude - it should have been "lot" - damn auto correct on my mobile. I in no way meant to write "lie"!!
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