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My diesel sounds like a diesel!

tbourner

tbourner

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This car's becoming annoying in it's first 2 weeks! Should have listened to Cliff after all :D . This morning it sounded like a diesel - now I know it is a diesel but you know what I mean. Searching suggests it might be a timing chain? Or otherwise something oil related.
Now from my other thread it seems nobody has done an oil change on a facelift diesel so nobody knows if I've got the right oil filter or not, but when the oil arrives I'll try it and see. Anything I should be checking or looking out for with this new noisy diesel? I've done about 700 miles in it and it's down to about 3/4 of MIN-MAX on the stick, so not using too much oil.
Service book has a stamp on the back page under "timing belt", as if it was replaced last year, but Hendy have no record of a repair and agree it shouldn't have been done in a service - so probably a mistake stamp. I'm under 125k with FHSH anyway.
 
I have been running my tourer on 10/40w for three years changing it every 6.000 miles, and was scepticle about the claims made on here re 0/30 being the only one to use, so I got 0/30 from lube tech and tried it with a new filter. NEW ENGINE"" Eureka, much quieter, and appears to be improving on the mpg's as well. So the motto seems to be "if you have not tried it, don't knock it"
 
Oil filter and procedure for oil change is the same on all the 7th gen diesels, and it's also documented in your owners manual.

If your timing chain is rattling, it will be quite a distinctive sound, and the car should not be using any oil at all really.
 
Mine does have FHSH though so I would imagine they used the right grade. I could ring the garage I got it from to see if they did their own service I suppose.
 
Hi Trev, I was told by HH that timing chains werent covered on the facelift as a fix had been put in place on the engine and I have no reason to believe they were lying. In regards to oil and filter change, I did mine and it was very easy. Ordered filter from HH and gave them my reg and told them it was for a facelift. It was delivered next day. I bought my oil from Opie who are listed on here (I bought a big drum and would recomend buying the pump for it as I didnt and it was a real pain to get out into a container without spilling.)

Just undo the small flap under the car (think its a 10mm nut) then undo the sump bolt (cant remember but 17mm i think) and drain the oil. Whilst draining the oil INTO A CONTAINER THAT CAN HOLD & LITRES!!!!! remove the filter on the top left of the engine (will need a filter removal tool) and replace filter and all o-rings which are supplied (smear a bit of oil round all o-rings before putting back on). If you dont have a torque wrench I have heard of people marking the oil filter cap and the engine with a bit of tippex and then tightening it back up to the same position. Leave oil draining for about 20-30 mins, replace sump plug and new washer and fill slowly! you are on for about the forst 4-5 litres, but then take your time as it takes a while to filter through the engine and is easy to overfill. Also make sure the car is on level ground whilst filling. As I said it is so easy to overfill so make sure you take your time at the end and once you have filled it and its showing just below half on the filler its perhaps a good idea to leave it 5 mins and then check again that its not still filtering through to the sump.

Hope this helps.

Nick
 
F6HAD said:
Oil filter and procedure for oil change is the same on all the 7th gen diesels, and it's also documented in your owners manual.

If your timing chain is rattling, it will be quite a distinctive sound, and the car should not be using any oil at all really.
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Thanks Fahad but what about this:
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/6281-facelift-i-ctdi-oil-filter-length/

It just started sounding like a diesel normally does, not the smooth quiet sound I have been getting used to, so what does the chain sound like when it rattles (don't say rattly! :D ).
 
Oh and make sure you use 0-30 oil!
 
Yeah Nick I've got some Castrol on the way, it's just this filter length that I'm not sure about.
 
Just take the filter cover off tonight if you can and see if the filter length is the same as what is already in. There is no harm in just taking it out to look and then putting it back in. That way if it is the wrong one then you can get it replaced.
 
HuskyMan said:
Thanks Fahad but what about this:
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/6281-facelift-i-ctdi-oil-filter-length/

It just started sounding like a diesel normally does, not the smooth quiet sound I have been getting used to, so what does the chain sound like when it rattles (don't say rattly! :D ).
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Trev, if you look further down in that thread at Post #18, Beefy is correcting himself. There is definitely only one correct filter for the entire 7th gen ICTDI Accord range. The smaller filter is for the Civic ICTDI and the newer IDTEC range.

Also, I didn't realise you weren't using 0w/30? Shame on you :lol:
 
This is definitely the right part number 15430RBDE02.... or at least that one fitted my facelift as I just checked. Wrong oil = noisy engine ;)
 
F6HAD said:
Trev, if you look further down in that thread at Post #18, Beefy is correcting himself. There is definitely only one correct filter for the entire 7th gen ICTDI Accord range. The smaller filter is for the Civic ICTDI and the newer IDTEC range.

Also, I didn't realise you weren't using 0w/30? Shame on you :lol:
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Oh yeah! Well it's definitely a 15430RBDE02 so we'll hope it's all good. And it's definitely 0w30 fully synthetic Castrol Edge recommended by Honda I'll be using - just don't know if the selling garage did a change with anything else.


NESH said:
This is definitely the right part number 15430RBDE02.... or at least that one fitted my facelift as I just checked. Wrong oil = noisy engine ;)
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I'm almost hoping the garage did an oil change and stuck in 10w40 with a Motaquip filter or something, at least that would explain the noise and allow an easy fix.
 
Mine sounds like diesel on start-up -- isn't it suppose to? Once it warms up it's sounds like a petrol.
 
This was once warm and under normal acceleration, so say in 2nd or 3rd somewhere between about 1200 and 2000 rpm, not pushing just normal driving it had the "diesel clatter" on and off. I've only ever heard it when the engine labours and at idle until today.
 
F6HAD said:
If your timing chain is rattling, it will be quite a distinctive sound, and the car should not be using any oil at all really.
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Fahad it's not strictly true that the diesel shouldn't use any oil.
Mine does sometimes, and Honda warns you of the fact that they can. Honda must be concerned because of the two stickers in the car. Also detailed in this thread.

http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/78-important-diesel-oil-and-particulate-filter/page__pid__31138#entry31138
 
When we test drove our car it sounded almost like a petrol it was that smooth and quiet. When we collected the car the garage we bought it from said they'd done a service on it and changed the oil. That was back when I didn't know that it had to be 0/30 so I didn't think anything of it. After a few hundred miles on their oil the engine began to become very diesel sounding. I read this forum and found the threads about the oil. We bought s 25l drum of 0/30 and a fresh oil filter and after the oil change (200 miles or so) the engine became much more quiet again, still not as quiet as it was originally though before they changed the oil, but much better.
 
Is it an intermittent clanking sound on idle? Mine did that and I thought it was a normal diesel knocking sound till my mate heard it and said "**** me that alternator clutch is shafted" Not saying it will be that but after changing the oil if it still does it it could be that.
 
Rob said:
Fahad it's not strictly true that the diesel shouldn't use any oil.
Mine does sometimes, and Honda warns you of the fact that they can. Honda must be concerned because of the two stickers in the car. Also detailed in this thread.

http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/78-important-diesel-oil-and-particulate-filter/page__pid__31138#entry31138
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Rob - I know mate, but in our collective experience oil consumption in the iCTDI is pretty low, if at all (that's all I was referring to). Of course all manufacturers specify some oil consumption is normal, as a get out clause.
 
davecmr said:
Is it an intermittent clanking sound on idle? Mine did that and I thought it was a normal diesel knocking sound till my mate heard it and said "**** me that alternator clutch is shafted" Not saying it will be that but after changing the oil if it still does it it could be that.
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No it just sounds like a diesel, it's a well known distinctive noise, imagine a transit accelerating down the road it's like that but only occasionally and only for a few hundred revs in the range then it goes quiet again.
 
In terms of oil consumption mine burns next to nothing but it all depends on your driving style. I rarely have to refill my engine so I would agree with Fahads statement.
The noise however you describe could be normal. You have to remember it is a diesel and there will be some noise at some rev ranges. However if in doubt you can always have it inspected by Honda but like Carl has said the facelift I don't think is covered by the exstended warranty.

Hope that helps
 
HuskyMan said:
No it just sounds like a diesel, it's a well known distinctive noise, imagine a transit accelerating down the road it's like that but only occasionally and only for a few hundred revs in the range then it goes quiet again.
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Is it losing any power or fuel consumption dropping?? any excessive smoke (particularly white in colour) the diesel noise you refer to could well be injector knock, if the injectors fall below tolerance they can get noisy. Any diesel specialist will be able to carry out a leak off test to see if they are ok, shouldn't cost more than an hours labour, my chap charges £15 per injector to check.
 
Also around this rev range (approx 1.5k) is when the pre-injecting stops which is used and developed by Honda to reduce the diesel clatter which you hear on a lot of diesels at low revs
 
pekay said:
Is it losing any power or fuel consumption dropping?? any excessive smoke (particularly white in colour) the diesel noise you refer to could well be injector knock, if the injectors fall below tolerance they can get noisy.
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No loss of power or smoke, well not any loss of power that I've noticed but I've only had it 2 weeks!

NESH said:
Also around this rev range (approx 1.5k) is when the pre-injecting stops which is used and developed by Honda to reduce the diesel clatter which you hear on a lot of diesels at low revs
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So my pre-injections could be failing? Surely that would be an ECU issue?
 
Wouldnt neccessarly say they are failing Trev, that is the switchover point when they stop pre-injecting. The other thing is that over time injectors can start to wear/get bolocked or clogged up. Are you running it on VPD? also have you tried putting some BG244 in the fuel. If you look on the traders section it is available through power enhancer I believe and may help with cleaning the injectors.
 
NESH said:
Wouldnt neccessarly say they are failing Trev, that is the switchover point when they stop pre-injecting. The other thing is that over time injectors can start to wear/get bolocked or clogged up. Are you running it on VPD? also have you tried putting some BG244 in the fuel. If you look on the traders section it is available through power enhancer I believe and may help with cleaning the injectors.
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Ooh spot on timing:
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/6338-shell-vpd-and-ecu-reset
:D

It's on my mini-service plan to get some BG244 and stick it through, probably to coincide a week or 2 before the MOT end of the month.
 
Gents

Am I reading this right, that my car shouldn't sound like a diesel? I've had it a year and it's always sounded very noisy, just had a service done and told him to use 0w30 but doesn't seem to have affected the way it sounds, but it never sounds anything like a petrol!

This may sound like a really stupid question!!! But is the alternator clutch the same as the air con clutch? Just thinking about daves post As think that has just stopped working on mine, need to check the posts re my air con but just wondered if they may be linked with my noisy engine?

Doesn't affect running though my car runs really well.
 
Well I might have been paranoid with my new car, it does make the diesel clatter sometimes but normally it's pretty quiet. It's not petrol quiet (apart from when moving) but it definitely doesn't make the normal diesel clatter. I'm not saying you could put it next to a petrol and not tell the difference or anything, it's just the quietest diesel I've ever been in.
 
My car is certainly far from the quietest diesel I have ever heard, sounds like a tractor first thing in the morning!
 
Sure your manifold isn't cracked or timing chain noisy?
 
Hi Fahad,

It wouldn't know to be honest! Other than there is no smell of fumes in the car which I believe would be a sign of a cracked manifold?
 
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