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J_VTEC said:
Ok. So I'm driving the car today and the engine check light comes on.

Wondering if the crank sensor needs replacing. I think the traction control uses this to monitor engine RPMs. If the sensor isn't functioning, neither will the traction control and subsequently the VSA.

Just a hunch
Correct also any timing position sensors will cause vsa to not work you need to follow procedure in manual for error codes if error codes keep staying on fault is present

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J_VTEC said:
Yeah, they've been cleared already. They just come back up again. I'm thinking there is an issue with the timing now. Don't even know where to start at this point.
it would help if we knew exactly what the codes are, engine codes begin with "P"
 

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Freddofrog, good point. So I have been provided with is the slip that I included in this thread. I think I need to take it to a Honda specialist. Just need to find one local to me.
 

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Surely, whoever gave you that slip of paper would have had the codes in the first place ?

I mean, why did they write down "Engine Code - CMP - Sensor A and CKP Incorrect phase detected" ...that is a "translation" of one or more "P" codes from a scanner/reader, what were the actual codes
 

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Surely, whoever gave you that slip of paper would have had the codes in the first place ?

I mean, why did they write down "Engine Code - CMP - Sensor A and CKP Incorrect phase detected" ...that is a "translation" of one or more "P" codes from a scanner/reader, what were the actual codes
Agree there must be codes for those as well

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I have spoken with a local independent Honda specialist who has confirmed the timing chain has stretched.

He has advised against repairing due to cost and age of vehicle.

He recons ££££'s to fix as does Honda main dealer.

Gutted.
 

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J_VTEC said:
I have spoken with a local independent Honda specialist who has confirmed the timing chain has stretched.

He has advised against repairing due to cost and age of vehicle.

He recons ££££'s to fix as does Honda main dealer.

Gutted.
well he's kind of correct about the cost vs value of the car, but ....

In stock form these pre-facelift 7th gen K24 cars are probably worth £500 to £1,000 max

But the chain is £127 and the tensioner is £101 --> http://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection?block_01=17SED01&block_02=E__1100&block_03=529&block_05=hcr

AFAIK the only DIY difficulty of a DIY job is removing the pulley, but otherwise it doesn't look a big job. I would expect any experienced mechanic with the right tools to be able to do it in ~4 hours.

So even at a Honda main dealer I'd expect parts and their labour (at £100 per hour) to come in at under £1,000 , and then if the rest of the car is ok you've basically got the same as if you'd gone and bought another one ....which might turn out to be a lemon.
 

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indeed, if the car is solid and has a good service record its probably worth doing the job?

What you need is a decent mechanic open to doing the job for favourable rates (and a few pints)
 

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The car is pristine in every way. Not a break in it. The interior is immaculate too and it has a FSH. That's why I'm loathed to get rid of it.
 

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The car is pristine in every way. Not a break in it. The interior of immaculate too and it has a FSH. That's why I'm loathed to get rid of it.
As a starting-point, ask a Honda main dealer for a quote, it should be a lot less than a clutch change (which is a much bigger job).
 

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The car is pristine in every way. Not a break in it. The interior is immaculate too and it has a FSH. That's why I'm loathed to get rid of it.
As a former owner of a K24 Accord i can testify that it is indeed a fine specimen, probably as good or better than many motors i see every day. If its as good as you say i would definaely get snoping for a decent indy who can make a good deal for its repair.
 

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Agree with all of the above, a cheap car maybe but far more reliable than many cars on the road. Yes you can replace it but i would struggle to think of many cars as trustworthy when looked after.
Other than another petrol Honda of course!
 

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OK, so today I spoke with my mechanic. He reckons he can do the job, that it'll take 4 hours labour. This seems fair enough to me. He has asked me to source the parts though.

I followed the link provided in this thread for the parts:
http://www.lingshond...29&block_05=hcr

He said I should order the guides as well as the chain and tensioner ***y. Looking at the parts list, I think I have everything I need but still a little unsure. Here's my list:



Have I missed anything?


According to this list and my garage, I could have the job done for £520.00


Pretty happy with that.
 

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get the parts from Holdcroft Honda in Stoke, TA has a 10% discount

also, it might be worth printing out the relevant chain installation pages from the ESM
 

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Good advice freddofrog

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Hi All,

OK, quick update. First of all I'd like to thank everyone for their help and advice with this fault. Now that's out of the way, here's the status:

I spoke to Holdcroft Honda regarding the parts. Not only were they extremely helpful, they supplied the parts with a discount as I am a member of TA and also free shipping. Highly recommended​!!

The fault as I suspected was related to bad timing. My local garage confirmed that the timing chain has jumped a couple of teeth. This was picked up by the traction control and VSA.

I had the parts fitted two days ago and all is back to normal. No warning lights, nothing. The car is running great!


Thanks again!
 

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Parts were £370. That's for the timing chain, guides, tensioner and lower crank oil seal.

Garage costs £256.

All told £626.
 

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That's not too bad glad all sorted

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To say I'm relieved is an understatement. Worth remembering in case anybody else has similar issues.
 

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OK, I think I've found it. Is this the procedure?:


Jump pins 4 and 9 with paper clip or similar. Clear codes first by turning ignition to position 2 then press brake pedal when abs light comes on. Release the pedal then press again when abs light returns. The abs light should blink twice and disappear
Now turn off and attempt vsa reset by turning back to position 2 press vsa button once as soon as vsa light come on (within 0.5 seconds) the light should go then re-appear as soon as it does press the vsa button immediately (again within 0.5 secs) if it's worked all three lights should blink twice I think then disappear - hopefully for good!
Did this for a workmate on a 2.0 petrol accord a few nights back, so far so good

Edit: should mention his car had the 84-1 vsa reset required error




If so, I'll try and give it a go before the car goes in the garage in a few weeks.
Thanks for that. VSA light gone for good.
 
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