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briano74

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Hi All

I am just new to this forum. So here is my story:

Purchased a 2009 Honda Accord with 22K miles on the clock approx 2 years ago. After 8 months The high pressure fuel sensor went and the car cut out on the motorway at 70mph, After pulling in and waiting 5 mins the car re-started and I managed to get it to the garage.

Honda said it was a known fault with the 2009 cars and replaced the sensor. However Honda said that bad diesel causes the sensor to corrode. I only purchase Diesel at a Maxol garage (one fill/week). Honda replaced sensor at their liability (cost) and also the fuel pump and a rear camber arm as the tow was off when I purchased the car which was causing the far side rear tire to wear on the inside.

So:

In April this year I traded the 09 in and purchased a 2012 Type S 180 Accord. Everything was going OK until last Tuesday when I was leaving work the car spluttered and cut out at a roundabout. No lights on the dashboard etc. I was unable to re-start and had to get the car towed back to the garage where I purchased.

Contacted Honda the next day and no silver bullet on the problem. However they believed bad diesel could be to blame. Contacted Honda on the following day and they said fuel pump replaced - no fix and now looking at injectors. However Honda wished to send the diesel for ****ysis (approx 1 week lead time) and if found to be contaminated it would be at my expense to replace the 4 injectors and that warranty would not cover this. I am still purchasing diesel in same Maxol garage which I have had tested since and have found to be 100% (no contamination).

I am really disappointed with the customer service as on both occasions bad diesel seems to be used as a scapegoat to invalidate the warranty and the car was not cheap. They believe one injector is faulty and it is up to the customer to ensure that they are not using contaminated diesel.

I have no car since Tuesday and probably for another week to come and could be facing a hefty bill to repair. As the car is both under Mfg and garage warranty I am not sure what I can do if they will not cover the repair. I am most definitely going to purchase a Diesel inspection meter after this escapade and test every time before I buy diesel at the garage

http://www.hickleys.com/diagnostics/diesel_analyser.php

And then I would have to listen to this get out of jail free card again I hope. I have had many a toyota and a Lexus (which gave problems after 100'000 Kilometres, had a head gasket fail, Lexus sent a driver from the south to collect the car, brought me another Lexus car to drive, repaired under the customer satisfaction warranty and brought back to me in 2 weeks - CUSTOMER SERVICE!!).
 
Honestly speaking I would probably agree with Honda's ***essment here.

I can't think of any injector or fuel pump or sensor failures on the new idtec cars. If you've had two in a row then I would put it down to bad diesel.

Switch to a shell or BP for consistent quality control.
 
Had the fuel tested and it was 100%

Plus the dealer rang me today since the first post and agreed that the diesel was OK, however Honda are still arguing over it. As far as I can see their customer service is just awful.

Especially as the car is under warranty.
 
Yes mate, but it's quite possible that you had one bad shot of it and it's done the damage slowly. I'm not suggesting their fuel is always bad, but what you get with the big boys like Shell is high quality control measures and very consistent fuel properties.
 
Lol all the fuel comes from the same source. The truck goes to the import location, fills up and adds the additives (5 gallons), The additives are based on what the company (shell, maxol etc) wants to add. The only bad diesel would be washed green diesel which comes from laundering however this is generally 10c cheaper/litre and mainstream companies wont be selling it.

Plus if it was diesel I would expect the fuel pump sensor, pump and all of the injectors to be faulty (as on the first car the sensor went).
 
Oh god not this again.

Actually whilst the basic fuels come from the same 'place' each downstream retailer manages their own product and the specific properties that go into them.

BP and shell have tight quality control measures including the cleanliness of their forecourt, tanks, lines and even how long the fuel stays in their tanks before it's sold. All these things contribute to the final quality of product sold to the consumer.

If it really was all the same stuff, we would all be buying it from the supermarkets.

There is a reason we all don't.

Anyway I wish you luck with your claim, let's hope it's just one of those things
 
None of this proves that the car didn't previously get a bad fill of fuel before your ownership of both cars. There was probably reasons why they were traded back in..... Poor fuel over here is rampant and it doesn't always mean that so called legit forecourts get every fill of fuel from legitimate sources.....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0313/376429-garda-fuel-laundering-operation/

http://www.tyretrade.ie/index.php/petrol-stretching-now-major-danger-for-irish-motorists/9284

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/news/new-sample-test-helps-ensure-fuel-is-legitimate-26963626.html
 
Mr Honda said:
None of this proves that the car didn't previously get a bad fill of fuel before your ownership of both cars. There was probably reasons why they were traded back in..... Poor fuel over here is rampant and it doesn't always mean that so called legit forecourts get every fill of fuel from legitimate sources.....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0313/376429-garda-fuel-laundering-operation/

http://www.tyretrade.ie/index.php/petrol-stretching-now-major-danger-for-irish-motorists/9284

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/news/new-sample-test-helps-ensure-fuel-is-legitimate-26963626.html


In that case the garage warranty is liable to cover for any damage as I purchased the car which was damaged/faulty.
 
I'm not sure how you prove that but good luck with it.... I certainly don't envy your predicament.
 
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