cheers for the welcome , id need to wait till monday morning and i need to fit them for monday. i use my accord as a taxi so its gotta do its compliance test . been a total nightmare. cars been off the road two weeks now. was irst put into arnold clark to have new brake pads and discs replaced front and rear was also to have front suspension arm bushes and drop links replaced , finished off with a mot check , they gave me the car back and it failed on 1 thing ... ball joints being worn!! so back to arnold shark and their response was well we would pass it even though there was slight play , a taxi test is stricter , i was rather shocked by there response. they then replaced the hub ***embly as they claimed you cant get the ball joints as a single unit , well i found out from honda you can at an eighth of the price , however it would be aftermarket ones as hondas are on backorder. so fixed it was and ready to go , allegedly had no probs with the abs sensors then an hour later the did have n wanted another three hundred quid upfront so i removed the car n now left to do it myself , an expensive lesson has been learned here.. NEVER go to Arnold Clark. so im now off work another weekend and having to right letters to arnold clark, trading standards and vosa.