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Hi there

I saw recently that my Honda accord 2004 2.2 ictdi with 110000 miles, gives a white/blue fumes when starting engine ,especially when engine is cold and there is more fumes when I start engine after 5 dasys without using it, today it was a big white smoke behind me.
I did around 500 mile recently driving on the highway and my oil level dropped down , I topped up 1 litter .
I got shell helix ultra 5w40 synthetic.
My questions are why my car is giving these fumes?,
Is it normal Honda eat that much oil?I can't see any leaks
I read about oils which Honda recommended.they recomended 0w30 full synthetic ACEA B1
Which oil should I get for it, Honda redcomended castrol, someone told me use mobile 1, can I use 0w30 when I got 5w40 now?
Can different oil case that fumes?

Please can someone give me some advice.

Many thanks
Kamil
 
Sounds like a mixture of unburnt fuel and also engine oil.

Could be bad injector and turbo seals.

Can also be a sticking egr valve but that would give you other symptoms like poor running and hesitation
 
1st step is change that oil for 0w-30 or you have major problems soon.
Lots of members are using lubetec are affliated trader.
 
I cleaned egr valve 9 months ago.also replaced frequency solenoid valve.faults dissaperd
It is giving me a more fumes when I am not using my car for a while.
I haven't got any faults in ECU now just that fumes.
Do you think that my car loose oil because its not right?
Can I check that seals my self to see if they are bad or used?

So should I get lubatec 0w30 ACEA B1 ?


Thanks
 
I really wouldn't panic about the oil, but do use 0w-30 at the next oil change. If anything, the 'thicker' 40 grade will burn off (via piston rings, turbo bearings or valve guides) slower than a 30 grade. And the difference between 0w and 5w is trivial until the cold start temperatures fall to sub-zero.

I certainly don't think that this oil is causing the problem you are reporting... I'd fix the fault before possibly wasting money changing the oil on a car that could well have a serious problem, like worn turbo bearings.
 
Thank you for your advice Jon_g.
How can I check what is wrong? Is it difficult to check it my self?
If I will go to mechanic how much could it cost?
And the most important question is it urgent ? Should I sort it out straight away?

Thank you
 
If the smoke is constant whilst driving then it could be the turbo seals, however if it thins out when warmed up could be the valve stem oil seals, also another sign is heavier smoke after going downhill and using the engine to brake, then on acceleration it comes in with a vengeance.
 
It's fairly rare for these engines to burn engine oil unless it's the turbo bearings, in fact I've never heard of an i-CTDi suffering from worn piston rings or valve guides. However, just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it hasn't happened! Or, you could be the first. But I have heard of failed turbo bearings on these engines causing engine oil to enter the engine intake and cause excess smoking, on several separate occasions (Civics and Accords).

If it is the turbo (as I think it probably is) then it can be very serious... the engine can run from the engine oil fumes and - worst case - become out of control, unstoppable and possibly even destroy itself. Have a look on YouTube for 'catastrophic diesel runaway'.
 
I don't believe mechanics and I don't have one who I know.
I don't want to be down by mechanic and pay more money for nothing.
Any simple way to check I my self ?
 
It's a process of elimination really. Edgeoftime has given some advice that may help you to identify the source of the problem, but you will almost certainly need to get positive confirmation from an experienced diesel mechanic. It isn't easy to check the turbo yourself, unless you have some experience of this and are prepared to do a fair bit of complex disassembly.

No all garages are rip-off merchants! Try to find a diesel specialist in your area that has been there for a while and have a good chat with them to try to work out if they have experience with these Honda diesel engines. See if they would be happy to locate and fit a secondhand turbo (if they do confirm that you do actually need a replacement) or maybe they can get reconditioned turbos for a reasonable price?

Take a look at the recent thread by Wing called 'helps turbo has given up...' to see what other advice is there (I can't open it, so I'm not sure how that problem worked out, or what it cost).
 
I cannot speak for our engines but with our old Fords in the boat we were getting rid of a litre of oil an hour, the engine was not blowing (try running without the filler cap off) and see if fumes are coming up through that) a sure sign of crankcase compression that could be caused by pistons/rings/worn bores, Our next step was to look at the turbo, as we were ejecting raw oil out through the exhaust. We found the snail was full of oil and reckoned the turbo seals had failed, a rebuilt turbo proved this, but we were still losing oil at a good rate, but now it was just Blue smoke, so we concluded that along with a failed turbo there was another cause at work, off with the head, no apparent wear on the bores/pistons, but the valve stem seals had hardened, they were changed and all appears to be ok now. A difficult fault to find and diagnose that requires a lot of digging around to find. Is your exhaust pipe oily? maybe a gas tester (mot) will find that. Unless you are handy with the spanners you appear to have no option but to visit a trusted garage. As Jon says we can do the dinosaurs of the 70's but modern day engines are far more complex and personally I would not go near one except to try what I have suggested.
 
Good advice.

But based on experience my initial response is what I still suspect on this engine. Injector and turbo..

Do you get any whaling sound from the turbo?
 
I will go tonight and take a short movie and upload it, I haven't heard anything unusual from turbo, car got good compression accelerate nicely ,I did Mot 20 days ago ,doesn't show anything.
There is one thing I forgoten to mansion, it happened maybe 3 times during one year ,when I accerate really quick on the second gear I had a strange jumping ( car wants to accelerate but couldn't ' car was shaking (jumping )it is really difficult to explain . I though I haven't change a gear properly,but it might be something else.

I will check it tonight and let know.
Thank you for your advices
 
And you got no errors when it did this? Something could be holding boost back including a sticking egr valve
 
I had some errors before,but they gone after I cleaned egr and replaced frequency solenoid valve, no signs of leaking underneath car,car is power full, haven't noticed any changes in the sound that turbo or engine gives.
This is a movie link I did today, I drove my car on Saturday fumes wasnt that bad, after 5,6 days not using car its bad.
Have a look and let me know, thank you
 
I don't know what to do,did any one see my movie?
Do you think is something I should go to garage straight away ?
 
I didn't want to actually download the movie from a video hosting site I've never heard of.

When convenient sometime soon, I think you do need to take your car to a diesel specialist... as mentioned, oil burning on a diesel can lead to serious problems.
 
This is a server site where you can upload and download files up to 200MB.
I will go to mechanic but Its going to be next week.
I got Honda garage nearby, Do you think its worth to go there just for a Check?
 
Hi guys

I went to Honda service 2 days ago and they said they don't know what is it, might be pistons rings, turbo seals .
They haven't charge me but couldn't find problem.
They said
There is no errors in ecu, no sign of coolant in oil and oil in coolant,no leaks , no lost of presure, etc
There are 2 things a know for sure
Smoke on the cold engine and loosing oil.

They told me to put 10w40 oil it may stop smoke( probably pistons rings) , I know you recommended to put0w30
I don't know what to do now,
I won't do anything probably.

Thanks
Kamil
 
I'm struggling to believe a Honda garage could be this useless. Perhaps a dedicated diesel specialist would be better?

It is sometimes suggested to use thicker oil on a car that has developed an oil burning problem, if you know the problem to be piston rings or valve guides. But this is a temporary fix, at best. However, you have not had these wear items confirmed.

A 10w cold viscosity would be too high for this engine and result in the oil circulating too slowly on a cold start... I'd suggest 5w-40 if you are determined to go down this route.

I'm still worried this is a turbo problem and will rapidly get worse.
 
Really this needs a compression test done to determine whether or not it is bore/ring wear. A decent diesel specialist should be able to do this for you. As for using thicker oil I doubt changing to a 10W/40 will make much difference. A 0W/50 might but that's expensive oil, particularly if the engine is burning it.

As Jon has mentioned this could be a turbo problem. Has anyone had the hoses off and the intercooler out to see how much oil there is in there?

Alan
 
I am using 5w40 shell helix ultra.
I am curious about amount of fumes comming from exhaust,its depend how often car is in use.
I replaced oil 1.5 month ago and around 100ml of oil is ton already, I use car mostly on the weekends sometimes during g week for shopping or visit someone.
 
Using a heavier oil is a quick way to break your oil pump on this engine, and I'm shocked a main dealer even suggested it.

I agree with the compression test advice and as
previously mentioned my thoughts are turbo seals as that's most common on these. Are you sure it's not leaking anywhere aswell?
 
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