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Gents,

Let me say up front that I have already cracked open a tinny. I have had a 2004 Accord 2.2 diesel for the last seven years or so. Mileage around 105,000 serviced every year etc, well looked after.

Three weeks ago I had a new front exhaust manifold fitted as the original had cracked, common known fault etc,etc. Ten days or so later the car broke down on me while driving on the motorway, running sweet one minute then oil warning light flicked on.

Could not stop immediately as no access to hard shoulder so had to keep driving. Next the engine warning light kicked in and the car went into limp mode. Finally managed to gain access to hard shoulder and I turned off the engine. Prior to this no rough running or symptoms of any kind, just the warning lights and then limp mode.

I wont dwell on the 10 hour recovery process, suffice to say I was not a happy bunny!

Since had a mechanic look at the car. Fault codes were cam shaft sensor, low pressure rail one and a third I can`t remember. Looks like the camshaft is not turning hence the word doom in the ***le. Mechanic tells me he can tell the car`s been well maintained and is at a loss to explain the sudden failure. He suspects the timing chain may have jumped a tooth or two as engine will not start and sound like it`s missing.

Now this post is for my own peace or loss of mind only. I`m not going gunning for culprits etc `but` could the work on the manifold have contributed in some way to the failure? Struck me as odd that when I picked the car up they said " It all went back together no problems at all".

Either way I can`t prove anything but I have to wonder.

Awaiting a price on putting things right and I know it wont be cheap but the car`s bought and paid for and I do love it.

Might be a rebuild or maybe a reconditioned engine if I can find one.

On that note anyone any contacts or suggestions? Ironically I`m told these engines are bullet proof and hence difficult to source used. I`m in the Manchester area by the way.

Thanks ( if you read this far!)

Paulg.
 
Sounds like timing and/or oil pump chain failure. Yep it's pretty fatal if it is that..
 
Doesn't sound good as per service manual there is a recommendation to change to timing chain tensioner after it has gone past set mm a lot of people who dont check this are having timing chain issues also good oil and regular oil flushes to avoid sludge build up in head of engine which can wear out timing chain prematurely i would get tensioner measured and report back with measurements also what engine codes did diagnostics report ?

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Changing manifold,wouldn't cause engine failure

However, is very strange that you had this problem so soon after the work was done.
when I picked the car up they said " It all went back together no problems at all". - some of these trades people can be very devious.
Difficult to prove anything, unless you are standing over them and watching them do the work. Probably why they don't have any view areas.

Have they done this kind of work before?
To get to the manifold they have to remove a lot of other things.

Something very similar happened to a friend of a friend - had to write the car off.

I can feel your pain.
 
Can't really point the finger with a broken pump chain or timing chain.

Once these motors have done 100k, they're like a grenade with the pin pulled, you just have no idea how long the fuse is.

If I still have mine 100k after its first set of chains, I'll change them again.
 
Mine has 125 on it now, I am going to start gathering the bits for a chain replacement.
Pity the tensioners are so bloody expensive they are the biggest cost in the job apart from labour.
Chains are only 150 for the pair from Febi.
 
As far as I'm aware, Febi don't do the pump chain anymore.

I had to go to Honda for mine.
 
Goodluckmonkey said:
Can't really point the finger with a broken pump chain or timing chain.
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But it is very, very strange that it happened so soon after the work was done.

And it is not a one off.
In my example, the work was carried out by a main dealer.
 
anything is possible, but the manifold is "external" to the engine, whereas the chains are "internal" i.e. behind sealed covers on the engine, so it is difficult to know how the chains/covers were affected by someone removing other external stuff to get to the external mainfold
 
Now you mention it - Every time one of my cars has had a problem, it's been within 600 miles of filling the tank.

Personally I blame the petroleum companies.
 
I understand that changing the manifold SHOULDN'T affect the chains.

Still think its a bit fishy thou, that 3 weeks later things goes pear shape.

In my example, car goes in for a manifold change, 2 weeks later engine goes pear shape after chain fails..

Is there a pattern here or is it just very bad luck.........more examples are required.....
 
Mine had 196,000 on when I traded it, never a problem, always changed the oil at 6,000, and a new filter at every 12,000. I reckon the service schedules on most of these "modern" cars are too generous
 
Funny thing , the owners manual details oil change intervals for EU and non EU diesels. The non-EU are specced at 6250 miles, EU 12500 miles.
Complete BS really if the cars are the same, EU oil is twice as good as non EU oil?
I don't think so.
 
I think it is also the climate that matters, the area/region as well. Cars can't be different because most parts are interchangeable. But the fact is that parts in the UK are a lot more expensive than in Europe, car is stll the same.
 
Probably due to the fact that most cars get thrown away once they reach 100k over here, so it doesn't matter if the engine throws a chain at 101k.
 
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