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Hello all,

Just wondering if anyone can offer advice on an intermittent problem i have with my accord, it is on a 54 plate has 110000 on the clock with a reasonable but not perfect service history, (I have owned the car for 8 months now and done 12.4k and had 2 services carried out in that time). The car runs well generally, average fuel consumption between 41 - 47 mpg depending on journey type and doesn't really burn a lot of oil, maybe half a litre over 10k. however when i accelerate hard, to say overtake or up a motorway slip road, the car misfire quite violently and then splutters, for want of a better term, for 15 seconds or so. This generally happens in 2nd or 3rd gear and sometimes in 4th, if i depress the clutch the car does not splutter after the initial misfire, if i depress it and then raise it the splutter can often still be felt. Also another problem that may or may not be related when i accelerate in 4th the car revs will sometimes shoot form 2k to 3k and then drop back down to around 2 - 2.5 and a with no corresponding increase in power / speed......

There is no warning light and the garage i use have suggested that this may be due to the air mass meter.

Anyone have any ideas as i really like the car but can't trust it to have power when it may be needed?

Thanks
 
have a search in diesel faults.
but your 1st problem if ff make sure its genuine Honda filter.
2nd problem is the dreaded clutch slip.
these 2 things are covered in the faults section
 
BOYDY54 said:
Hello all,

Just wondering if anyone can offer advice on an intermittent problem i have with my accord, it is on a 54 plate has 110000 on the clock with a reasonable but not perfect service history, (I have owned the car for 8 months now and done 12.4k and had 2 services carried out in that time). The car runs well generally, average fuel consumption between 41 - 47 mpg depending on journey type and doesn't really burn a lot of oil, maybe half a litre over 10k. however when i accelerate hard, to say overtake or up a motorway slip road, the car misfire quite violently and then splutters, for want of a better term, for 15 seconds or so. This generally happens in 2nd or 3rd gear and sometimes in 4th, if i depress the clutch the car does not splutter after the initial misfire, if i depress it and then raise it the splutter can often still be felt. Also another problem that may or may not be related when i accelerate in 4th the car revs will sometimes shoot form 2k to 3k and then drop back down to around 2 - 2.5 and a with no corresponding increase in power / speed......

There is no warning light and the garage i use have suggested that this may be due to the air mass meter.

Anyone have any ideas as i really like the car but can't trust it to have power when it may be needed?

Thanks
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Welcome along Steve

As Pepster and Brett have already mentioned there are a few threads on the particular issues you have mentioned.

Best thing to do in all honesty is to use the Google search facility at the top right of the forum, it has been customised to search the TAforum.

With the hesitation it can be a few things, however more often than not it is because the fuel filter has not been changed or has been changed with an after-market filter. The filter is a little bit more than a five minute job and sometimes it may get overlooked. The important thing is that a genuine filter is used, on yours it is made by Bosch. Have a good read in the newbie section, you will see it mentioned many time and in the end a genuine filter is the cure.

There are DIY's on how to change the filter yourself (if that way inclined) on the forum, you should pay attention to anything referred to as "Pre-facelift" as the fuel filter changed on the "Facelift" model.
Notwithstanding this it may not be the total cure, but in many cases it is and it is always a good place to start when ruling things out.

With the second issue, it sounds very much like the clutch slipping, which the best advice is to get it replaced ASAP to avoid further damage to expensive parts. Have a good read of the threads on the subject as the symptoms of a clutch slipping on an Accord are not always that noticeable at first.
 
Hello all

Thanks for the warm welcome and replies, so by the sound of things i need to get the fuel filter and clutch changed, the fuel filter i may well tackle myself but unfortunately the clutch is somewhat beyond me, so i would like a little further advice if possible please.

I have sought 2 quotes, 1 from my local Honda dealership and one from an independent.

The independent has quoted £1200.00 to replace the clutch, bearing and the fly wheel, which they say as it is a dual mass will need doing, the clutch is a genuine Honda part the fly wheel is LUK, with the extra for a Honda flywheel being £470.39....

Honda have quoted £1070.86 to replace the clutch and bearing only, saying that they will remove the fly wheel and test it for tolerance, they are saying that it may need to be skimmed at a cost of £90.00 +VAT and they cannot rule out the possibility it needs to be replaced.

I did find this on ebay would you think it is bonafide Honda or should i stay well away?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280705834529&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

The fact that it is coming in nearly £500.00 cheaper is making me think that it is perhaps too good to be true, though it does come with a 4 year warranty

Also to add to my woes i keep seeing mentions of the DMF getting damaged, is this likely to be a problem for me?

A friend has suggested PXing the car and cutting my losses as the car is only worth 3k at best !!

Any advice would be much appreciated,

Thanks, Scott
 
BOYDY54 said:
Hello all

Thanks for the warm welcome and replies, so by the sound of things i need to get the fuel filter and clutch changed, the fuel filter i may well tackle myself but unfortunately the clutch is somewhat beyond me, so i would like a little further advice if possible please.

I have sought 2 quotes, 1 from my local Honda dealership and one from an independent.

The independent has quoted £1200.00 to replace the clutch, bearing and the fly wheel, which they say as it is a dual mass will need doing, the clutch is a genuine Honda part the fly wheel is LUK, with the extra for a Honda flywheel being £470.39....

Honda have quoted £1070.86 to replace the clutch and bearing only, saying that they will remove the fly wheel and test it for tolerance, they are saying that it may need to be skimmed at a cost of £90.00 +VAT and they cannot rule out the possibility it needs to be replaced.

I did find this on ebay would you think it is bonafide Honda or should i stay well away?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280705834529&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

The fact that it is coming in nearly £500.00 cheaper is making me think that it is perhaps too good to be true, though it does come with a 4 year warranty

Also to add to my woes i keep seeing mentions of the DMF getting damaged, is this likely to be a problem for me?

A friend has suggested PXing the car and cutting my losses as the car is only worth 3k at best !!

Any advice would be much appreciated,

Thanks, Scott
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Scott,

To be honest with you the clutch replacement is best done by a dealer, there is a special tool required, some have gone the independent way with mixed results.

In respect of the dealer quote. Errr :eek: did they not even mention the Honda happiness fixed price servicing please see link below

Fixed Price Servicing

Not heard of anyone being quoted that price, unless the DMF is also replaced, but by the sounds of it, it may only be the clutch and in many cases it is only obvious that the DMF is shot when they strip it all down.

Has either of these actual test driven the car? or it seems that a blanket ***umption is being made, given the mileage of the car, however it could of in fact been already done at an earlier period.

Personally I would ring around a couple of dealers and see what quotes you get, but you should be getting certainly more towards the £615 mentioned on the above link, shame you live so far away from the forums affiliated dealer in Stoke.
 
as Carl said get it done at a main dealer only.
If you can let hh do it and have peace of mind.
 
CJM said:
did they not even mention the Honda happiness fixed price servicing please see link belowFixed Price Servicing
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When did I miss the price increase? :p

Scott, does the car idle roughly? If the flywheel needs doing I suspect the car should be vibrating badly when idling. I think I've heard of flywheels causing engine misfires? BUT, as has already been said, it sounds more like the fuel filter and at 20 odd quid would be the cheapest to try first.

As CJ says, they can't really test the flywheel until the clutch is out. They do a tolerance measurement to check it then. If the cars been run for a long time with a slipping clutch then you might find it needs doing.
 
So .......... phoned another Honda dealer, Fish Bros in Swindon, who indeed quoted the happy Honda price of £615.00, they also said to bring the car over for a tech to take it for a test drive to confirm the problem which i have just done. Results were inconclusive the clutch of course did not slip at all and apparently the bite point is about where it should be, the tech basically said that there still seemed to be plenty of life in the clutch but it has done 110000 miles so will need doing at some point.

Booked it in for Monday, the slipping only happens very rarely and the car seems to idle okay so fingers crossed this will be a stitch in time and the clutch will be the only thing that needs doing, they are going to stick a new fuel filter on as well.

Will let you know the outcome and thanks again for all your advice.

Scott
 
BOYDY54 said:
So .......... phoned another Honda dealer, Fish Bros in Swindon, who indeed quoted the happy Honda price of £615.00, they also said to bring the car over for a tech to take it for a test drive to confirm the problem which i have just done. Results were inconclusive the clutch of course did not slip at all and apparently the bite point is about where it should be, the tech basically said that there still seemed to be plenty of life in the clutch but it has done 110000 miles so will need doing at some point.

Booked it in for Monday, the slipping only happens very rarely and the car seems to idle okay so fingers crossed this will be a stitch in time and the clutch will be the only thing that needs doing, they are going to stick a new fuel filter on as well.

Will let you know the outcome and thanks again for all your advice.

Scott
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Well at least that is better news, Ok nobody wants to pay out £615 unnecessarily, however I suspect you have read some of the threads on the clutch slipping now and realise that it comes and goes and as is always the case it never happens when the technicians have a quick test drive.

As your car is on 110k it is worth asking them to check the timing chain (covered by extended warranty to around 125k or 7 years, please read threads on the subject to confirm) also asking them to check the exhaust manifold for cracks as again covered by extended warranty to 125k (please read threads). Might already have been done, or all is ok, but as you will be getting close to the limit either on mileage or age of car, then worth mentioning to the dealer.

Hope all goes well on Monday for you
 
Thanks, will have a look on the other threads, funnily enough the technician did mention the manifold but said that as there was no smell of exhaust he thought it would be alright, he did say they would carry out a 'full vehicle health check' when they did the work to pick up any other problems so i guess they will check for these things

Cheers
 
BOYDY54 said:
Thanks, will have a look on the other threads, funnily enough the technician did mention the manifold but said that as there was no smell of exhaust he thought it would be alright, he did say they would carry out a 'full vehicle health check' when they did the work to pick up any other problems so i guess they will check for these things

Cheers
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Sounds like you may have found a decent dealership, so looks like you will be in good hands.

Please keep us all posted on how you get on.
 
the missfire and clutch slipping suggests a failed clutch and flywheel but if they are replacing the clutch anyway they will advise you on the flywheel at the same time.
 
So just heard from the garage have just called and the DMF has failed to pass the tolerance so they are putting a new one on, with that and the fuel filter they are saying about the 1600 mark! I am in Cornwall now so guess o just have to take their word fir it and let them get on with it!
 
BOYDY54 said:
So just heard from the garage have just called and the DMF has failed to pass the tolerance so they are putting a new one on, with that and the fuel filter they are saying about the 1600 mark! I am in Cornwall now so guess o just have to take their word fir it and let them get on with it!
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Scott,

Must have missed this post, sorry to hear the DMF was shot.

How is the car now you've had the work done?
 
I've been meaning to give an update for a while.

Its been a few thousand miles now including some long hauls to Cornwall and touch wood the car is a whole lot better, the stuttering problem has gone so I guess the filter was the culprit and no more slipping at all. Generally the car pulls a lot better, particularly in 4th and the fuel economy has possibly improved a little though I am still monitoring this. One thing i did forget to ask Honda but i guess you guys may know, what kind of Warranty if any is there on the new clutch and DMF?

The 1600 quid bites pretty hard especially considering the value of the car but provided nothing else goes wrong (again touching wood), I should hopefully get the value of it out of the car as i am planning to keep it for another couple of years at least.

And once again thanks for all the help and advice
 
Glad you're motoring bud.
 
Its a big expense but you will probably nether need another clutch again.Also glad your sorted :)
 
As this is an old thread i have started a new topic . . . . can't seem to delete the post though

Sorted for you Scott
 
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