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Accord 2.2 cdti
Today all genuine honda components (supplied by HH) were used to carry out a service on my 45k 2007 2.2 cdti.
The following was replaced:
- Air Filter
- Pollen Filter
- Oil Filter + Oil
- Fuel Filter

Unfortunately when driving later in the day the 'engine warning light' came on and car went into limp mode.

One error code is now present 'P1069 BAROMETRIC PRESSURE (BARO) SENSOR / MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE (MAP) SENSOR INCORRECT VOLTAGE CORRELATION' quite simply I am unsure what to do now. Any suggestions from the typeaccord collective to return the car to full working order would be very welcome?

Thanks

jd
 
jdark said:
Today all genuine honda components (supplied by HH) were used to carry out a service on my 45k 2007 2.2 cdti.
The following was replaced:
- Air Filter
- Pollen Filter
- Oil Filter + Oil
- Fuel Filter

Unfortunately when driving later in the day the 'engine warning light' came on and car went into limp mode.

One error code is now present 'P1069 BAROMETRIC PRESSURE (BARO) SENSOR / MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE (MAP) SENSOR INCORRECT VOLTAGE CORRELATION' quite simply I am unsure what to do now. Any suggestions from the typeaccord collective to return the car to full working order would be very welcome?

Thanks

jd
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Who did the service or did you do it yourself.
 
brett said:
Who did the service or did you do it yourself.
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Not wishing to tackle replacing the fuel filter myself I used a local garage that i have used for several years and have confidence in.

Having returned the car to them later today they looked over it but were not immediately able to work out how best to identify/ tackle this particular issue and are seeking advice overnight with the intent of making good tomorrow.

I am independently trying to gain some understanding of what could be wrong and how to resolve this issue to reduce the risk of time/effort being wasted or the problem being made worse...

I intend to keep my accord for many years to come, so i do not want this to reappear on the next fuel flter change .

jd
 
P1064/65 codes can happen when the filter hasn't been bled properly or there is a kink in the fuel line somewhere.

I would look at the obvious stuff first and ask them to re-check all their work and connectors etc. I'm sure it's something simple. There's no reason for them to take out the MAP sensor during a fuel filter change and it's not saying the MAP sensor itself is at fault..
 
jdark said:
Today all genuine honda components (supplied by HH) were used to carry out a service on my 45k 2007 2.2 cdti.
The following was replaced:
- Air Filter
- Pollen Filter
- Oil Filter + Oil
- Fuel Filter

Unfortunately when driving later in the day the 'engine warning light' came on and car went into limp mode.

One error code is now present 'P1069 BAROMETRIC PRESSURE (BARO) SENSOR / MANIFOLD ABSOLUTE PRESSURE (MAP) SENSOR INCORRECT VOLTAGE CORRELATION' quite simply I am unsure what to do now. Any suggestions from the typeaccord collective to return the car to full working order would be very welcome?

Thanks

jd
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Did this happen, pretty much, straight from picking the car up or was it some way after, such as 50 miles or so?

Was any other work done on the car?

From the work that was done it could either be an issue with the air filter such as a blockage, maybe a rag or something from when they changed the fuel filter. It also could be a loose/damaged connection at the MAP sensor however unless deliberately unclipped or severely lent on, it would seem to be quite hard to do. Again a connection near the ECU would be unlikely, unless they have been fumbling around under the dash for some reason.

It could also be just a coincidence or bad luck, although MAP sensors aren't know to fail as dramatically on the Accord, so I suspect it is more something to do with disturbance at the garage.

As Fahad has suggested and especially since replacing the fuel filter is the most difficult of all the particular jobs listed, it is also worth re-visiting the filter and checking that all connections are correct, together with the checking it is bled properly. Equally check the connection is tight on the MAF sensor also (connected into the air box)
 
^^ Yeah and you might also want to prime the fuel filter with the hand bulb :lol:
 
CJM said:
Did this happen, pretty much, straight from picking the car up or was it some way after, such as 50 miles or so?
#The warning light came on within 1 mile of me leaving the garage (the mechanic did say that he let the car run for ~10min after completing the service to check that all was fine)#

Was any other work done on the car?
#No other work was done.

From the work that was done it could either be an issue with the air filter such as a blockage, maybe a rag or something from when they changed the fuel filter. It also could be a loose/damaged connection at the MAP sensor however unless deliberately unclipped or severely lent on, it would seem to be quite hard to do. Again a connection near the ECU would be unlikely, unless they have been fumbling around under the dash for some reason.

# I should add that over the rev range I am permitted to currently use the engine still sounds ok.

It could also be just a coincidence or bad luck, although MAP sensors aren't know to fail as dramatically on the Accord, so I suspect it is more something to do with disturbance at the garage.

As Fahad has suggested and especially since replacing the fuel filter is the most difficult of all the particular jobs listed, it is also worth re-visiting the filter and checking that all connections are correct, together with the checking it is bled properly. Equally check the connection is tight on the MAF sensor also (connected into the air box)
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# thanks for taking the time to offer up some useful suggestions - will raise these with the mechanic tomorrow.
 
It transpires that after the mechanic did his post service test the engine bay my accord received a complimentary engine bay steam clean prior to leaving the garage. The mechanics first suggestion to me late night was to simply wait until this morning before starting the car once again – hoping that this period would allow any moisture curently located in the wrong place to evaporate.

So this morning started the car, the engine warning light appeared for 5 seconds then for the first time during this post service fault scenario it went off and has remained off, even after several engine restarts. So all looks good and hopefully will remain good from now on!

Not sure about the wisdom of engine bay steam cleans given the amount of electronics in more modern cars…
 
Good result and glad your sorted
 
Not quite. 5mins into its first drive and unfortunately the engine management light has reappeared...

A call has been made to the garage.

jd
 
jdark said:
Not sure about the wisdom of engine bay steam cleans given the amount of electronics in more modern cars…
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Was it this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVSXi2JgpY
:D

I don't like the idea of steam cleaning an engine TBH, I know loads of people do it but it's a pretty sensitive thing really.
 
Returned to the garage, mechanic went through the process of changing the fuel filter with me and inspected all fuel pipes, checked for leaks and the few electrical connections that were disturbed during the service, including air jetting any contacts. So visually everything is as it should be.

At the end we restarted the engine and all appeared fine, however previously is was after 5mins of driving that the warning comes back. So the 10 min drive home without issue was a relief, however I am slightly hesitant to say its successfully resolved, I’ll await a few more days of driving first.

I am unsure whether to go main dealer for future fuel filter changes, ifs it a case of Honda diesel engines being a little sensitive at times – those mechanics working with Honda engines full time should I hope be able to spot and resolve gremlins more effectively.

Have to way up the cost of going main dealer - surely cant take them more than one hour to complete?

jd
 
I'd just DIY next time, plenty of us do and none of us are trained mechanics. You'll always take better care when its your own car.
 
edgeoftime said:
Did you see him squeeze the bulb?? this time.
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Yes - and i had a casual go too just for my own satisfaction... fuel filter - not the most convenient of spots for a replacement service item.

Alas later this afternoon the engine management light has re-illuminated...

Maybe once i get this sorted i will actually have something useful to share with you guys for a change.

jd
 
jdark said:
Yes - and i had a casual go too just for my own satisfaction... fuel filter - not the most convenient of spots for a replacement service item.

Alas later this afternoon the engine management light has re-illuminated...

Maybe once i get this sorted i will actually have something useful to share with you guys for a change.

jd
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Is it still throwing up the same code ?

With the fuel filter for the future, as Fahad said DIY it, next time I do mine I'm going to take some pictures and amend the facelift fuel filter DIY, which may make it a little easier to follow. I suppose in the end it depends on how handy you are with spanners etc.

It could still be a bit of moisture, and your best using some electrical contact cleaner on the connections.

Is there anyone local to you (that you know) that is willing to swap MAP sensors, just to rule out the sensor itself.

Did they check all airways, that nothing was dislodged, put in incorrectly or restricting the airflow?

From what you have said so far it seems to be more of an issue as the car has warmed up, rather than when cold is that pretty much the case?
 
Courtesy of Salisbury Honda the MAP sensor has proven to be at fault. MAP sensor has been swapped today, car will be collected tommorrow. The cause of the MAP sensor failure is unknown.

Happy car once more.
 
Glad it's fixed, but I've never seen a MAP sensor fail right after a fuel filter change... I'd use a different garage next time or DIY
 
Glad it is sorted

Extremely unusual for a MAP sensor to go completely on the Accord.

As Fahad has said, personally either use another garage or DIY

It could be major coincidence, but it is not really a common occurrence so would suspect it was more to do with the garage, but you will never be able to prove it enough to get your money back for the sensor.
 
I found the harness plug difficult to come off the air cleaner box, and the wiring looked "iffy" at the plug joint, most likely been damaged in past pre my ownership. Maybe your "fitter" had the same problem?? I say "fitter" cos there aint any "mechanics" left out there, only "technicians" and they wear ties. LOL
 
Hi,
my Accord behave totaly same like yours. Since I changed the oil, pollein and gasoilfilter(!!!!), than came the same problem.
Originally was Bosch 0 281 002 680 what I changed for Bosch 0 281 002 845 (new).
So my failure was last winter, every weeks once. After MAP sensor changing I belived it solved. But yesterday comes again, after several weeks :-(
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/19752-p1069-map-sensor-problem/?view=getnewpost
Intresting, after disconnect the sensor and plug I can delete the error.
 
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