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Remap DTEC Manual Dyno chart with DPF still fitted.

Racy Jace

Racy Jace

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After spending hours on the net and not finding much info I thought Id post my Dyno chart.

With a DPF still fitted 190bhp seems to be as safe as you can go.

Removing the DPF will increase it to about 205-220 depending on who does it.

I actually stumbled across a remaping company Performance Torque Tuning Specialists that were 5 mins from my house so I did a lot of research to double check they knew what they were doing and was happy to let them loose on my car. Especially as they are mapping Touring cars that are to be appearing on SKY tv.

Performance Torque - Tuning Specialists

I want to give it a few days of hard driving before I can confirm the results but from the little run I did today all is good. Its a very smooth power delivery so I'm happy that the clutch will last and I am astonished at how the engine loves to be reved. I cant remember if it was 4th or 5th gear I was in but flooring it from 2k rpm it just kept pulling and pulling up to 4.5k rpm. Once I get rid of my heavy right foot itch, Ill see what effcts it has on the mpg. With my 15-20 min spirited drive down a country lane my mpg didnt drop below 41.4mpg but we'll see how it goes tomorrow.

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Gotta ask mate- how much did this set you back?

Once my warranty is up, I too want to explore remapping. Looks like you've gotten some very good results there.
 
Looks good Jason but have a chat to James as he is running a Celtic map at 225 BHP
 
Nice!! Feels better dont you think, over the flat 150hp!! A car of this size needs more power....
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It really does pull well in 2nd and 3rd. The bonnet now lifts up far more aggressively than it ever did. I just need to see what effects the mpg will be. When I refill I'll start driving like a grandad again and see if it improves.

Hopefully James will get his car dynod soon. I'd find it interesting if there is a differance between auto and manual or not.
 
Looks good mate, never heard of them but sounds like they at least know what they're doing with these ECU's. We seem to be getting ECU's broken by other tuners who don't even know where to start with tuning them once they've got them open.

Hoefully you'll see some dyno plots from us next week for this range as we have one to tune on the dyno day on Saturday next week.
 
Looks good mate, never heard of them but sounds like they at least know what they're doing with these ECU's. We seem to be getting ECU's broken by other tuners who don't even know where to start with tuning them once they've got them open.
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He seems really good. He started off as a software engineer for some company and then went on his own. Hes been going 8 years now I believe. Reading old posts from the last couple of years seem to back up his work. Doing professional track cars is always a bonus too. Though it does take up his weekends at the minute as he has to data log the cars. His Audi R8 is very nice too :wub:
 
Jason,

Finally my accord is going on the rolling road Friday morning at 11am over at a company called Midland VW - Midland VW

These guys are not far from me and could get me in quite quick.

After a good chat on the phone i was still advised that the reading would be more acurate to Wheel HP than the engine HP due to the auto box not responding well to the coast down to calculate gearbox loses.

I will get the charts posted once done along with a video if i can get one....
 
Looks good that mate, will be nice to get a view from another company. However Premier Tuning is the choice for this site. Might be good to put the charts side to side and see what the difference is. How have they ensured that the everyday driving of the car will not be affected? Also will the original clutch be bale to take this power?

Jay let us know how you get on mate
 
Looks good mate. I will post the chart up from my car next week some time as my type s is getting done on sat at the meet. Not sure want the ressult will be but can't wait. just feel like its being held back all the time.
 
How have they ensured that the everyday driving of the car will not be affected? Also will the original clutch be bale to take this power?
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Hi, I'm Not sure what you actually mean by that. The guy mapped it with a smooth progressive power delivery. He could have done a more aggressive map but wouldnt guarantee the turbo as the inlet temp would be too high. He thought it better to have a nice wide spead of power than low down torque with it tailing off .

Ive just started my mpg test and the car feels the same but with a tiny amout of extra torque below 2k. I`m only 2.5 days (77 miles) into my test so its far too early to judge but I'm getting 49mpg and the clock says Ive still got 700 odd miles left in the tank :D


Looks good mate. I will post the chart up from my car next week some time as my type s is getting done on sat at the meet. Not sure want the ressult will be but can't wait. just feel like its being held back all the time
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I didnt realise it was a type-s going on the rollers. Thats got a slightly bigger turbo and extra 30bhp as standard over mine :( I would expect about 210bhp on the type-s.

Is an uprated panel filter availble for the DTEC? I was told to take mine out and give the garage the measurements and he would see if PiperX would make one up.
 
However Premier Tuning is the choice for this site.
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I didn't mean to tread on anyone's toes but Premier are miles away from me and the wife wouldn't have been happy about me using up a weekend for me to play with my car :blush: The sneaky woman found out what I`d done any way and gave me a roasting so I suppose it would have mattered either way :lol:
 
^ Hey no issues here mate, this is a free forum. I know Shab meant well - but we welcome everyone's input, as long as it's genuine and sincere.

At the end of the day, good tuning is ultimately about keeping your customer happy and clearly that's what these guys have done for you.
 
At the end of the day, good tuning is ultimately about keeping your customer happy and clearly that's what these guys have done for you.
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Well the map seems good so far but time will tell. Id just read about people coming back 3 years later to get there new car done and said they didn't have problems. If I did run into any I know where my next stop would be ;) Then off to a curry house as I hear you have some decent ones up North. :D


The scale of the map makes it look more impressive than it is. When scaled and compared to the superchips map its pretty much the same curve, just slightley better. The superchips map is actually a dtec CRV and the standard curve actually showed better torque than my accord. Ill put the graph up when I get a chance. I just wish I knew what parameters were at hand to be alterd and if they could be set to rpm intervels and if the throttle positions can be set like on the APEXi stuff.
 
F6HAD said:
^ Hey no issues here mate, this is a free forum. I know Shab meant well - but we welcome everyone's input, as long as it's genuine and sincere.

At the end of the day, good tuning is ultimately about keeping your customer happy and clearly that's what these guys have done for you.
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Sorry guys I have come across wrong there. I just meant that the popular choice for tuning on here is premier tuning.
I'm interested to see the difference in the two maps. I have a premier tune stage 1 and it has not affected my car mechanically at all. I just wanted to see what research they might have to back this up as Fahads team did extensive testing before making there maps live.

Maybe some feedback from you could give us some insight on this. I'm just curious as to the power delivery of other maps and how the car behaves at normal running.
 
Well, I finally had the auto put on the rolling road..........

As expected it would not stay in gear to well which delivered some not so accurate figures.

The operator could not get the gear box to stay in 4th gear from low down and the box consistently kicked down. After a bit of playing around 3rd gear became the only usable gear to try and get some usable figures from.

Even in 3rd full throttle could not be applied until 2800 rpm so from what I'm told the peak torque is not built up from low down showing lower figures than expected. Any way I was still pleased with the 3rd gear run as the car managed to output a fair amount of power.

So final figures ended up at 202.0 HP at the engine with 263lbf/ft torque. You will notice in the print out below (apologies for poor picture) that the losses in the gear box were estimated at 20% when calculating WHP...... over a total of 9 runs this was the average loss.

At the wheels 161.6 HP and 210.4lbf/ft of torque.

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I gave the guys a call at Celtic Tuning to get their advice on the run output and see how close it is or should be to the installed map. They very kindly marked up the chart with actual figures that should be achieved from the car in highest gear and gave the following advice:

"I have attached an image of your dyno chart with our chart scaled to that of yours. What you will notice is that from 2,000 rpm our power chart already has almost as much lbft as yours displays at peak. This is because with a manual the readings can be conducted from 1,500 rpm and builds momentum where as in the automatic the operator is trying to prevent kick down until as you say 2,800 rpm. You will see that from 3,600 rpm the torque curve mimics that of ours but lower due to the lack of time to develop momentum as they are based on load based systems it requires load to generate pressures.

As a result your bhp figure is derived from lbft and thus shows a reduction. Hope this helps illustrate it for you."

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Other comments made by the tester today is how smooth the torque is delivered and that it doesn't drop off rapidly at the end.......
 
I've scaled the graphs up but I have no idea what we can take from it. You have more bhp. The torque lasts longer but peak isn't much more than the standard figure. The rate at which your bhp rises looks awesome but is that because its in 3rd or because its an auto??

Ive an obd thingy with the torque app on my phone if you ever want to see what you intake temps and boost are ;)

Any comments welcomed

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I'm sorry guys but comparing those plots is like trying to compare a banana with an orange. Bad example maybe, but whilst they're both fruits - they're very different in their composition, taste etc.

Also, the auto box plot is not really giving you an accurate picture and any manual interpretation is really just guesswork I'm afraid. Your torque figures also seem low to me.

Really, whilst it's all a bit of fun - that's how it should be taken. You like the car, the remap feels good - just enjoy and be happy. You'll never get an accurate plot with that auto box.
 
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I'm sorry guys but comparing those plots is like trying to compare a banana with an orange. Bad example maybe, but whilst they're both fruits - they're very different in their composition, taste etc.

Also, the auto box plot is not really giving you an accurate picture and any manual interpretation is really just guesswork I'm afraid. Your torque figures also seem low to me.

Really, whilst it's all a bit of fun - that's how it should be taken. You like the car, the remap feels good - just enjoy and be happy. You'll never get an accurate plot with that auto box.
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Yep have to agree not a good compare but indeed fun to see the differences.

The use of 3rd gear will be responsible for low torque on the auto as from what i understand the Celtic map is gear limited........ if we could have got 4th to work im pretty sure it would have been very close the 299lbf/ft and 221 HP at the flywheel that it should be. What the auto box does with it is anyone's guess really......
 
Combination of mechanical torque coversion in the box and torque limiters in the maps are what's skewing the figures. I'm sure it's making 300lbft, it's easy to make on these engines.
 
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Combination of mechanical torque coversion in the box and torque limiters in the maps are what's skewing the figures. I'm sure it's making 300lbft, it's easy to make on these engines.
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I would ***ume so F6HAD......

Have fun today on the rollers!
 
Really, whilst it's all a bit of fun - that's how it should be taken
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Yeah I agree but i like fun :D

Heres my chart with a Dtec CRV from superchips. Its pretty much Identical but the CRV had better torque to start with.

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Using the Torque app with GPS on to get a more accurate figure I thought Id try a 0-60 :ph34r:

Well I had a terrible start and still managed to get a decent time.

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I could easily get that time down but its good enough for me :D
 
Yeah I would expect the 0 - 60 to be a decent bit quicker than that with over 200 hp.
 
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