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Judder/vibration thoughout the car possible dua lmass flywheel problem?

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OH Dear! I'm in this section quicker than I would like to be lol.

Some of you will have seen my post from a couple of days ago in the introductions section where I introduced myself as a newbie to these boards. All good and well, we are the proud owners of a beautiful 08 plate 7th generation tourer EX which we collected last Thursday evening.

However, when we were driving the car home we noticed a judder/vibration throughout the car at 51/52 miles per hour or if accelerating quickly to over-take something. Although the judder was very bad and went right through the car and wobbled the car from side to side when accelerating fast as well as causing steering wheel judder which was worse cornering or pulling out and overtaking.

Anyway, we didn't worry to much about it because my Hubby thought it felt like a wheel balance problem and we knew the tyres were getting down and would need changing shortly so we booked the car in for a wheel/tyre check the other day. I wouldn't mind, we both test drove the car on a long test drive and it was totally perfect.

Conclusion the wheels needed balancing but that didn't cure the problem and upon further checks the tyre people said three of the tyres were misshapen and really needed to be changed so we bit the bullet and had all four tyres changed.

Yesterday evening we found the problem had improved slightly but not gone so my Hubby changed the wheels from front to back to see if that made a difference and it improved slightly again. But on fast acceleration the car still wobbles/shudders when it gets to around the low fifties then it works its way though the judders/wobbles and is OK.

Today the cars been back in to the tyre people and they've checked the wheels and balancing again and they are happy that they are all OK.

They've suggested it could be the start of a clutch or a flywheel problem developing, has anyone experienced this?

My Hubby is an engineer/technician and he's thinking that could be the problem although he's not convinced, it seems a bit too early to say as the problem isn't pronounced enough to judge that by feel etc at this stage. He suggested it was possibly a tracking/alignment problem or possibly drive shaft whip, but he thinks drive shft whip is unlikely. He didn't suspect tracking/geo etc because the cars drives perfectly straight doesn't pull at all and the tyres were checked before purchase and they were wearing evenly across all the tyres surfaces.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this please? We've paid a good price for this vehicle and we don't want to be left holding a bill for a couple of thousand extra.

Thanks for your help. :rolleyes:

PS the dealer we purchased this vehicle from isn't a Honda dealership or Honda specialist.
 
Michelle sorry to hear this so soon.As you said it could be the DMF or it could be the drive shaft.
Im just guessing so you need to get the car back to the garage where you brought it.
I no its not a Honda dealership but what warranty have they given you.
 
this could well be your driveshafts as it is not uncommon on diesel accords. there is a possibility of a DMF problem but you should get the same vibration at idle with an imballanced flywheel and poss running problems. difficult to say realy without driving the car.
 
brett said:
Michelle sorry to hear this so soon.As you said it could be the DMF or it could be the drive shaft.
Im just guessing so you need to get the car back to the garage where you brought it.
I no its not a Honda dealership but what warranty have they given you.
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Hi Brett, thanks for answering.

We purchased a three month RAC Gold maintenance and recovery policy which the dealership sold us. The dealers have been good on the phone and asked to see the car back for inspection which is all good and well. Hubby needs to take a day off to take it back and it's about an hours drive away, I could take it back but he wants to take it back. The dealership are not a garage though, they are a supermarket type fleet seller so I'm a bit worried about letting them fiddle with the car, especially as it is a complexed bit of kit and there's lots that could be knocked altered etc (way over the top I know, I do worry though) We've got to let the dealer know what we are planning to do, ie; are we taking the car to them etc.
 
beefy_634 said:
this could well be your driveshafts as it is not uncommon on diesel accords. there is a possibility of a DMF problem but you should get the same vibration at idle with an imballanced flywheel and poss running problems. difficult to say realy without driving the car.
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It is really difficult to know like you say, there's no vibration at idle and there's no running problems (not that we can see as yet, we've only covered a couple of hundred miles at most)
 
To be honest if they cant sort the problem out insist to them footing the bill for diagnose at a good Honda dealers.
 
Inner cv joints I would imagine as its happening only when you accerlerate.
 
brett said:
To be honest if they cant sort the problem out insist to them footing the bill for diagnose at a good Honda dealers.
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That would be better, we thought about booking it into our local Honda garage but the bills will mount and after putting a full new set of tyres on it, paying for three lots of balancing and tyre checks I'm a bit concerned.

It looks like the people that sold us the car are going to have to take a look at it. She's a beautiful car too, such a shame, everything else seems to be spot-on. Oh the She's my Husbands choice, it's even got a name........................and I didn't name it lol.
 
Monks said:
Inner cv joints I would imagine as its happening only when you accerlerate.
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Thanks yes, I'm told that's another possibility. It only does it when accelerating or slowly going up to 51/52 miles per hour. If you are at 50 or 53 there isn't a problem. One of those totally annoying, do you head in problems.

I wondered if we should re-ject the car but hubby isn't in favour of that.
 
If it is the inner joints / drive shafts just take it for a drive this type of problem is normally okay under light throttle. However if when you give it some beans it starts vibrating and it would be very noticeable if it was the cv joints.
 
Tourer owner said:
Thanks yes, I'm told that's another possibility. It only does it when accelerating or slowly going up to 51/52 miles per hour. If you are at 50 or 53 there isn't a problem. One of those totally annoying, do you head in problems.

I wondered if we should re-ject the car but hubby isn't in favour of that.
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I also bet its more pronounced from the front left of the car isnt it? you can source new drive shafts or get the inner joints replaced. You cant go aftermarket with the shafts as people have done in the past and wasted money so it will be OEM only.
 
Monks said:
I also bet its more pronounced from the front left of the car isnt it? you can source new drive shafts or get the inner joints replaced. You cant go aftermarket with the shafts as people have done in the past and wasted money so it will be OEM only.
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It is hard to say which side is worse.

if I'm honest I'm really stressing about it since my Hubby got back with the car tonight. I'd been OK about it thinking it was just tyres and wheel balance until he hit me with further info this evening. This could be super costly and even hard to sort out especially for a dealership that isn't a vehicle fixer. Although, give them their due they've been great to purchase from and they seem to want to take a look at the car without question.

Hubby is cool about this, I'm not. So, my thoughts are to book the car in at our local Honda dealer for a diagnoses and report and then contact the dealer to report back. Does that sound OK?

My Husband can change the drive shafts but he shouldn't have to as we've only had the car for three and a bit days.
 
I believe your RAC warranty allows you to have the repairs completed at any VAT garage. The only problem with it is that it doesn't usually cover wear and tear which it could turn out to be. Might be worth phoning them and confirming. I tried to claim for a DMF on a Peugeot through the RAC gild warranty supplied and they refused my claim as they said it had worn out and not an instant failure. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Fingers crossed for you!
 
Paul the Bobby said:
I believe your RAC warranty allows you to have the repairs completed at any VAT garage. The only problem with it is that it doesn't usually cover wear and tear which it could turn out to be. Might be worth phoning them and confirming. I tried to claim for a DMF on a Peugeot through the RAC gild warranty supplied and they refused my claim as they said it had worn out and not an instant failure. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Fingers crossed for you!
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Cheers for your reply, I can see why they would reject a claim as those parts would be subject to wear and tear.

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We're booking it in at our local Honda garage tomorrow, thanks for all your suggestions everyone, lets hope they are not all faulty at the same time lol.

We will have to take it from there I guess.
 
Whilst easier to just replace the drive shafts this problem actually relates to pitting / play on the inner cv joints. If you looked at the joints you would not believe that it could cause such a problem with the car but it does. I think most people with this issue have simply replaced the whole driveshafts as its the easier option but more costly IIRC.
 
Monks said:
Whilst easier to just replace the drive shafts this problem actually relates to pitting / play on the inner cv joints. If you looked at the joints you would not believe that it could cause such a problem with the car but it does. I think most people with this issue have simply replaced the whole driveshafts as its the easier option but more costly IIRC.
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Thanks.

Hubby has just asked me to tell you that he agrees with you and knows what you are talking about. If we'd bought this car privately he says he'd have undertaken to change the whole drive shaft and not mess around changing bits and pieces and pay the extra. But, because we've paid full wack for this car we're going to have to track back through the dealers especially as we have not had the car for a week yet. The idea of letting a Honda dealer inspect it works best with me, they can then tell us what we need to do etc. If the fault is covered under the RAC policy (which I doubt it will be) we could then let them fix it.

I just wish that we'd been able to find a car through our local Honda dealer but they couldn't find us what we were looking for.
 
Monks said:
You cant go aftermarket with the shafts as people have done in the past and wasted money so it will be OEM only.
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Mine had aftermarkets fitted nearly 50K ago and its been fine ever since so I'm not sure where you get your aftermarkets are rubbish from?
 
entwisi said:
Mine had aftermarkets fitted nearly 50K ago and its been fine ever since so I'm not sure where you get your aftermarkets are rubbish from?
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Feedback from past THAOC members and some members on TA, but if you have had a good experience thats great and helps build a better picture of the situation.

Could you post a link to where you bought them as this may help the OP and others with this issue.
 
Did some further tests late last night and it doesn't seem to be the DMF no vibration at all through the car when the car is worked up through the revs when stationary, even at very high constant revs, it's as sweet as a nut.

Thing is, each time the tyres are balanced the vibrations alter, most strange.

Currently as follows; slowly accelerating slight juddering/wobbling around the 50 mark then stops as you've passed the speed. Fast acceleration judders constantly beteen 48 and 58.

Hubby is now convinced it is driveshaft related cv etc as suggested on here.

He's looking into it today, making the calls etc and he will get back to me.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP EVEYONE :)
 
keep us updated Michelle how you get on
 
brett said:
keep us updated Michelle how you get on
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Will do, it's booked in with Honda for an inspection tomorrow, hopefully they can tell us what the problem is and we can take it from there.

I've just had a price for a dog guard and mats, I should change that for a price for a driveshaft lol.
 
Good luck with it, just a shame this has happened lets hope it can be resolved at low cost or no cost.
 
Sorry, not read entire thread but its possiblity answered already... just reading the ***le and your first post - I can bet money it's probably your Drive shaft. If it was your DMF, there would be other symptoms inc knocking at idle and a knocking sound. The driveshaft wear is very common on this car and far less expensive to repair than the DMF.
 
F6HAD said:
Sorry, not read entire thread but its possiblity answered already... just reading the ***le and your first post - I can bet money it's probably your Drive shaft. If it was your DMF, there would be other symptoms inc knocking at idle and a knocking sound. The driveshaft wear is very common on this car and far less expensive to repair than the DMF.
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Thanks, yep we think it's the driveshaft now. Although I've just got back from work with it and it has two new symptoms. One, when you are going round a corner in tightish lock the steering wheel is trying to kick back and it fights on the steering wheel, worse when you are turning the wheel right, could still be the driveshaft I guess. Also, it was making a funny hardly noticeable growling noice so I dipped the clutch and it went quiet. The clutch pedal is a bit stiff and creaks when you operate it, although the gears are a smooth as silk and very easy to operate. I will update Hubby when he gets in........

If it's only the driveshaft I can cope with that. I don't want clutch and DMF problems as well.

Is it normal for the turbos on these are have a noticable whine when they are mainly cold? Hubby says it isn't anything to worry about but I second opinions would be great please.
 
I wouldn't worry about the turbo Michelle... They can make a little noise (I quite like it ;)).
 
The clutch squeak is common and needs greasing. If you do a search there's a full guide which takes 10 minutes. Just don't use wd40 on it! A suitable White bearing type grease that is ok with rubber o rings etc. I used Molykote.
 
Dan Robinson said:
I wouldn't worry about the turbo Michelle... They can make a little noise (I quite like it ;)).
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Many thanks, you've made me feel so much better lol. Hubby said it was perfectly fine but husbands can sometimes give us ladies the bull line. I actually like that noise too for what it's worth :rolleyes:
 
Paul the Bobby said:
The clutch squeak is common and needs greasing. If you do a search there's a full guide which takes 10 minutes. Just don't use wd40 on it! A suitable White bearing type grease that is ok with rubber o rings etc. I used Molykote.
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Many Thanks, lol Hubby said it just needed attacking with some grease and it would be fine.

I'm looking for stuff that's not there lol, I'll be hearing elephants or something next hehe.

I'm still over the moon with the car even if it needs a new driveshaft, these things happen and it has done 95,000 miles at the end of the day. As long as the list doesn't mount too soon this is turning into one heck of an expensive car lol.

I will do a search on the squeak thanks for letting me know.
 
No problem. From memory it was Molykote 55 you need. The guide that alnug did shows a syringe to inject it in. I just used my finger and it worked fine. I tried with a syringe but the grease was too thick to push out of the one I had.
 
Hear you go this is the DIY for it

http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/46-diy-fix-clutch-creak-click-updated-6807/
 
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