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Lots of threads at the moment on 7th gen VSA issues, different OPs, different ***les, so I thought I'd start my own :lol:
By selecting certain combinations from Lings ( http://www.lingshondaparts.com/cars/oem-car-parts-diagrams.html ) it is possible to choose different model variants, and then examine the drawings that relate to ABS/VSA
At the time of writing, two key parts in the drawing URLs are
-> "block_02=B__xxxx" -> this relates to the drawing itself
-> "block_03=yyyy" -> this relates to the model variant
I've used 2 ABS/VSA drawings in 4 examples of 2004 Tourer , the "blocks" split as follows
block_02=B__2410 -> is the drawing of the ABS MODULATOR/ VSA MODULATOR
block_02=B__2411 -> is the drawing of the ABS MODULATOR/ VSA MODULATOR (DIESEL)
block_02=B__2511 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (ABS)
block_02=B__2513 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (ABS) (DIESEL)
block_02=B__2521 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (VSA)
block_02=B__2523 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (VSA) (DIESEL)
block_03=515 -> relates to one variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.0 Exec
block_03=525 -> relates to one ABS variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.2 Sport
block_03=526 -> relates to one VSA variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.4 Sport
block_03=529 -> relates to one variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.4 Exec
The 4 pairs of drawings are (CLICK EACH TO ENLARGE)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.0
Drawing ... block_02=B__2410 ... block_03=515
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 5) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 4)
But note that only item 5 is listed (item 4 is absent).
B-25-11 relates to URL with block_02=B__2511 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2511 ... block_03=515
B-24-10 relates to URL with block_02=B__2410 (1st drawing)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.4
Drawing ... block_02=B__2410 ... block_03=529
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 5) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 4)
But note that only item 4 is listed (item 5 is absent).
B-25-21 relates to URL with block_02=B__2521 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2521 ... block_03=529
B-24-10 relates to URL with block_02=B__2410 (1st drawing)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.2 Sport (ABS only)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2411 ... block_03=525
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 1) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 2)
But note that only item 1 is listed (item 2 is absent).
B-25-13 relates to URL with block_02=B__2513 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2513 ... block_03=525
B-24-11 relates to URL with block_02=B__2411 (1st drawing)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.2 Sport (VSA version)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2411 ... block_03=526
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 1) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 2)
But note that only item 2 is listed (item 1 is absent).
B-25-23 relates to URL with block_02=B__2523 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2523 ... block_03=526
B-24-11 relates to URL with block_02=B__2411 (1st drawing)
From other sampling of "block_03" (model variant) it's possible to deduce that
VSA was never fitted to any pre-facelift 2.0
VSA was always fitted to all pre-facelift 2.4
VSA was always fitted to all pre-facelift 2.2 Exec
VSA was optional on pre-facelift 2.2 Sport
VSA was optional on all facelift 2.0
VSA was always fitted to all facelift 2.4
VSA was always fitted to all facelift 2.2
Note that if VSA is fitted, since 2013 it has been part of the MOT --> https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s03000401.htm
Before anyone thinks that it's possible to swap a VSA-ABS unit with an ABS-only unit, I have my doubts, because the VSA/ABS is on the F-CAN with the ECM/PCM and the Gauge Control Module, and I suspect that those latter two units would throw up some lights.
But ***uming that was not the case (or that it was easily overcome), then if someone had a pre-facelift 2.2 Sport with VSA-ABS, and fitted a unit out of a 2.2 Sport with ABS-only (and removed the unlit bulb(s) from the instrument-panel and blanked the switch) , considering that it was a factory option, would that be illegal ?
By selecting certain combinations from Lings ( http://www.lingshondaparts.com/cars/oem-car-parts-diagrams.html ) it is possible to choose different model variants, and then examine the drawings that relate to ABS/VSA
At the time of writing, two key parts in the drawing URLs are
-> "block_02=B__xxxx" -> this relates to the drawing itself
-> "block_03=yyyy" -> this relates to the model variant
I've used 2 ABS/VSA drawings in 4 examples of 2004 Tourer , the "blocks" split as follows
block_02=B__2410 -> is the drawing of the ABS MODULATOR/ VSA MODULATOR
block_02=B__2411 -> is the drawing of the ABS MODULATOR/ VSA MODULATOR (DIESEL)
block_02=B__2511 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (ABS)
block_02=B__2513 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (ABS) (DIESEL)
block_02=B__2521 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (VSA)
block_02=B__2523 -> is the drawing for BRAKE LINES (VSA) (DIESEL)
block_03=515 -> relates to one variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.0 Exec
block_03=525 -> relates to one ABS variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.2 Sport
block_03=526 -> relates to one VSA variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.4 Sport
block_03=529 -> relates to one variant of Accord Tourer 2004 2.4 Exec
The 4 pairs of drawings are (CLICK EACH TO ENLARGE)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.0
Drawing ... block_02=B__2410 ... block_03=515
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 5) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 4)
But note that only item 5 is listed (item 4 is absent).
B-25-11 relates to URL with block_02=B__2511 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2511 ... block_03=515
B-24-10 relates to URL with block_02=B__2410 (1st drawing)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.4
Drawing ... block_02=B__2410 ... block_03=529
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 5) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 4)
But note that only item 4 is listed (item 5 is absent).
B-25-21 relates to URL with block_02=B__2521 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2521 ... block_03=529
B-24-10 relates to URL with block_02=B__2410 (1st drawing)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.2 Sport (ABS only)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2411 ... block_03=525
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 1) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 2)
But note that only item 1 is listed (item 2 is absent).
B-25-13 relates to URL with block_02=B__2513 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2513 ... block_03=525
B-24-11 relates to URL with block_02=B__2411 (1st drawing)
Accord Tourer 2004 2.2 Sport (VSA version)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2411 ... block_03=526
The ABS-only unit is shown on the left (item 1) and the combined VSA-ABS unit is shown on the right (item 2)
But note that only item 2 is listed (item 1 is absent).
B-25-23 relates to URL with block_02=B__2523 (2nd drawing)
Drawing ... block_02=B__2523 ... block_03=526
B-24-11 relates to URL with block_02=B__2411 (1st drawing)
From other sampling of "block_03" (model variant) it's possible to deduce that
VSA was never fitted to any pre-facelift 2.0
VSA was always fitted to all pre-facelift 2.4
VSA was always fitted to all pre-facelift 2.2 Exec
VSA was optional on pre-facelift 2.2 Sport
VSA was optional on all facelift 2.0
VSA was always fitted to all facelift 2.4
VSA was always fitted to all facelift 2.2
Note that if VSA is fitted, since 2013 it has been part of the MOT --> https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s03000401.htm
Before anyone thinks that it's possible to swap a VSA-ABS unit with an ABS-only unit, I have my doubts, because the VSA/ABS is on the F-CAN with the ECM/PCM and the Gauge Control Module, and I suspect that those latter two units would throw up some lights.
But ***uming that was not the case (or that it was easily overcome), then if someone had a pre-facelift 2.2 Sport with VSA-ABS, and fitted a unit out of a 2.2 Sport with ABS-only (and removed the unlit bulb(s) from the instrument-panel and blanked the switch) , considering that it was a factory option, would that be illegal ?