Yes mate - those are the read/write points.
Good work lads, keep the thread alive it will serve useful for future K24 tuning 'searches'.
Facelift ECU in pre-facelift?
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Yes mate - those are the read/write points.
Good work lads, keep the thread alive it will serve useful for future K24 tuning 'searches'.
My car is booked in on15th November to be remapped, so will let you all know if they are actually able to do it or not. Just to confirm my ECU looks like that in the other 2003 model Accords, but not sure of the exact serial number.
On s side note, I looked in to supercharging the Type S. It is easily do-able, with either the CT Engineering set up or a Jackson Racing Supercharger. The kicker is the cost - you are probably looking at £3 - £4k for the supercharger and other ***ociated engine part and then another £1 - £2k for TSX ECU, wiring harness and Hondata K-Pro...and of course £1k+ to have it fitted and set up! Hard to see anyone stumping up £7k+ to supercharge a car that costs less than that to buy - if you had the cash you would just buy something faster to start with I guess. Mind you it would be pretty unique and 300 whp is possible - E46 M3 chasing power! They also sound epic if YouTube is anything to go by!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrlBAaft68&feature=related
On s side note, I looked in to supercharging the Type S. It is easily do-able, with either the CT Engineering set up or a Jackson Racing Supercharger. The kicker is the cost - you are probably looking at £3 - £4k for the supercharger and other ***ociated engine part and then another £1 - £2k for TSX ECU, wiring harness and Hondata K-Pro...and of course £1k+ to have it fitted and set up! Hard to see anyone stumping up £7k+ to supercharge a car that costs less than that to buy - if you had the cash you would just buy something faster to start with I guess. Mind you it would be pretty unique and 300 whp is possible - E46 M3 chasing power! They also sound epic if YouTube is anything to go by!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrlBAaft68&feature=related
freddofrog
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It could be done on the cheap with an Eaton M62 supercharger out of a Merc, none on ebay at the moment, but I did save this one in my "EATON" list in ebay (went for £225). If our ECUs could be remapped, the whole project including remap could probably be done for <£1k.
I'm not sure if there would be room to fit the Eaton supercharger where the aircon compressor goes, with the intercooler where the condernser is, i.e. sacrifice A/C if fitted.
If we can find a replacement Honda ECU that fits, I would consider doing a project like this.
EDIT: in fact, thinking about it, if I had a spare £2k it could be done: £900 for the 2003/2004 replacement Honda "rewritable" ECU (***uming it is rewritable, Honda UK never replied to my query), + £250 for an Eaton supercharger on ebay, + £600 to £800 to get the ECU mapped (***uming the Honda one could be done in situ on a dyno).
I'm not sure if there would be room to fit the Eaton supercharger where the aircon compressor goes, with the intercooler where the condernser is, i.e. sacrifice A/C if fitted.
If we can find a replacement Honda ECU that fits, I would consider doing a project like this.
EDIT: in fact, thinking about it, if I had a spare £2k it could be done: £900 for the 2003/2004 replacement Honda "rewritable" ECU (***uming it is rewritable, Honda UK never replied to my query), + £250 for an Eaton supercharger on ebay, + £600 to £800 to get the ECU mapped (***uming the Honda one could be done in situ on a dyno).
The idea of buying a second hand SC from a Merc, ripping out the aircon and bolting it in doesn't fill me with confidence that it would work reliably with the stock internals. I would rather use a kit that has been tried and tested specifically for the Accord.
As far as I know the Honda ECU cannot be 'live' mapped, has to be taken out to be done as no OBD-type link. The only option for live mapping is a Hondata setup. However, Gunther had said that the ECU stores about 20 mins of data so you could run on the dyno then download the info from this and write map accordingly.
freddofrog
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I don't see why it would be any less reliable ??
Ok, back on topic here guys.
I have a lead, I'm just waiting to hear back. But I've been talking to an independent Honda Specialist in Australia on the Mighty Car Mods forum. He has much experience dealing with JDM and European Spec Accords (as that's what they also have in Australia) and seems to think it's pretty straight forward. Says there's a little difference in the CAN Bus wiring to the DLC connector. I think I've cracked it with some googling and have run it past him. I'll jut wait for his reply and ***uming it's correct, I'll post it here. But I don't want to go posting until I know for certain. Don't want to raise false hopes :unsure: .
I have a lead, I'm just waiting to hear back. But I've been talking to an independent Honda Specialist in Australia on the Mighty Car Mods forum. He has much experience dealing with JDM and European Spec Accords (as that's what they also have in Australia) and seems to think it's pretty straight forward. Says there's a little difference in the CAN Bus wiring to the DLC connector. I think I've cracked it with some googling and have run it past him. I'll jut wait for his reply and ***uming it's correct, I'll post it here. But I don't want to go posting until I know for certain. Don't want to raise false hopes :unsure: .
freddofrog
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Steve, if you've cracked this, then you deserve a Nobel prize 
whereami
TAF Member
I feel like the last horse that crosses the line in a race. Just been reading all the information and trying to get an understanding of this, phoned steven hawkins and he has a team working on this along side this as well as the theory before the big bang.....so far then
Pre 2005 2.4 honda accords, SO far can not be mapped.......................but were are chasing leads at the moment.
post 05 2.4 can be = fact
swapping a post 05 ecu in to a pre 05 car .........................could be done with little problems( this bit im unsure of, did we get an answer to this??)
I think this is a really good thread and well worth getting to the bottom of as many of us have a pre 05 car and would like to get it behaving like a honda vtec should.
Pre 2005 2.4 honda accords, SO far can not be mapped.......................but were are chasing leads at the moment.
post 05 2.4 can be = fact
swapping a post 05 ecu in to a pre 05 car .........................could be done with little problems( this bit im unsure of, did we get an answer to this??)
I think this is a really good thread and well worth getting to the bottom of as many of us have a pre 05 car and would like to get it behaving like a honda vtec should.
freddofrog
won 16.4k on Euro lottery :)
Not quite: pre-2005 2.4 ORIGNAL ECU cannot be remapped, but possibly a NEW pre-2005 ECU from a dealer would be rewritable (different part number, no-one has bought one, so we don't know)
Steve may be about to win a Nobel prize on the ORIGINAL ECU
Correct
no-one knows as it's not been tried, so it's speculative as to scale of porblems
Basically, I've been told a few things in tech talk, some of which I didn't understand because I don't know enough about these things yet. So I went googling the things I was unsure of and then replied to him putting what I understood into layman's terms to check that I am correct, or if I've misunderstood something. I'm just waiting on confirmation about if I'm right or not. I think I am, as it makes sense to me, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
So here's where I'm at so far:
Firstly, the facelift ECU will work just fine (***uming it's from the same spec car - must have the same transmission too). However the wiring in the facelift is slightly different to the pre-facelift so you need to make some changes before you take it to Honda to be recoded. What we're concerning ourselves with here is the CAN Bus.
The CAN Bus is a data protocol that the ECU uses to talk to the immobiliser amongst other things. It's also one of the ways the Honda ECU re-coding machine talks to the ECU. The CAN Bus is easily accessible as there is a large connector terminal socket tucked away in the cabin that should have free/empty slots on it. You simply need to get the correct shape connector and cable and make a new connector to add to the setup.
You take the other end of this cabling and connect the cables to empty slots on the DLC connector under your steering wheel (you know the one they plug the diagnosis machines into). I.e. you simply make a new 2-cable loom (or buy one from Hondata - ***uming they sell them separately from the Flash Pro Kits).
You have to do the same procedure if you buy a Flash Pro and TSX ECU and therefore there is an instruction manual for this process, which is nice. You only really need to pay attention to the first 4 or so pages of this manual.
But basically I've broken down the whole process into 4 steps:
- 1) Find the CAN terminals behind the dash and add a new connector to a spare slot with the red and white cables connected in the same way as the others (as shown in the pictures)
- 2) Swap the grey cable from pin 14 to pin 1 (this won't affect the operation of your car - it's just used by Honda for recoding security features to ECUs)
- 3) Then on the other end, go to the DLC connector, put the red cable in the empty pin 6 and the white cable in empty pin 14
- 4) Drive to Honda, give them the new ECU and say "Install and Code this badboy for me, Baby!"
The CAN Bus terminal is not in the same place on our Accords as the TSX apparently. Instead someone has found it in a UKDM Accord under the steering wheel (the grey sockets in the 2nd picture down in this linked thread).
So providing you can get a working facelift ECU, then you do this rather simple wiring and get the thing re-coded. Once re-coded you can post it F6had who can cook you up a nice remap too give you a little more power, a little more torque and a broader power band.
Like I said above, I'm waiting for the all-clear on this reasoning, so please don't quote me on this just yet. I shall let you know if/when I hear back from the guy. I'm also awaiting confirmation on if you can use a CL9 ECU in a CM2 ECU and vise-versa (if so, this could make purchasing an ECU a bit easier).
Oh, and while it's fairly obvious, it's worth mentioning, buying an ECU from a breakers has risks. If the car's been in a smash the ECU could have suffered voltage overloads and the circuit could be fried. There may have been a fire which means it could be fire damaged or water damaged from the fire being put out. If it's been in a big smash there could be holes in the car where water gets in, so the ECU could be water damaged from sitting in the yard getting rained on. It's safer to find a car in apparent reasonable condition or a write off on account of expensive cosmetic damage to the rear, or something mechanical, but nothing major near the engine bay like no fire, floods, big front end smashes etc.
So what do we think boys? Any holes in this reasoning? Anything I've not considered or addressed? Any further thought or comments on this?
So here's where I'm at so far:
Firstly, the facelift ECU will work just fine (***uming it's from the same spec car - must have the same transmission too). However the wiring in the facelift is slightly different to the pre-facelift so you need to make some changes before you take it to Honda to be recoded. What we're concerning ourselves with here is the CAN Bus.
The CAN Bus is a data protocol that the ECU uses to talk to the immobiliser amongst other things. It's also one of the ways the Honda ECU re-coding machine talks to the ECU. The CAN Bus is easily accessible as there is a large connector terminal socket tucked away in the cabin that should have free/empty slots on it. You simply need to get the correct shape connector and cable and make a new connector to add to the setup.
You take the other end of this cabling and connect the cables to empty slots on the DLC connector under your steering wheel (you know the one they plug the diagnosis machines into). I.e. you simply make a new 2-cable loom (or buy one from Hondata - ***uming they sell them separately from the Flash Pro Kits).
You have to do the same procedure if you buy a Flash Pro and TSX ECU and therefore there is an instruction manual for this process, which is nice. You only really need to pay attention to the first 4 or so pages of this manual.
But basically I've broken down the whole process into 4 steps:
- 1) Find the CAN terminals behind the dash and add a new connector to a spare slot with the red and white cables connected in the same way as the others (as shown in the pictures)
- 2) Swap the grey cable from pin 14 to pin 1 (this won't affect the operation of your car - it's just used by Honda for recoding security features to ECUs)
- 3) Then on the other end, go to the DLC connector, put the red cable in the empty pin 6 and the white cable in empty pin 14
- 4) Drive to Honda, give them the new ECU and say "Install and Code this badboy for me, Baby!"
The CAN Bus terminal is not in the same place on our Accords as the TSX apparently. Instead someone has found it in a UKDM Accord under the steering wheel (the grey sockets in the 2nd picture down in this linked thread).
So providing you can get a working facelift ECU, then you do this rather simple wiring and get the thing re-coded. Once re-coded you can post it F6had who can cook you up a nice remap too give you a little more power, a little more torque and a broader power band.
Like I said above, I'm waiting for the all-clear on this reasoning, so please don't quote me on this just yet. I shall let you know if/when I hear back from the guy. I'm also awaiting confirmation on if you can use a CL9 ECU in a CM2 ECU and vise-versa (if so, this could make purchasing an ECU a bit easier).
Oh, and while it's fairly obvious, it's worth mentioning, buying an ECU from a breakers has risks. If the car's been in a smash the ECU could have suffered voltage overloads and the circuit could be fried. There may have been a fire which means it could be fire damaged or water damaged from the fire being put out. If it's been in a big smash there could be holes in the car where water gets in, so the ECU could be water damaged from sitting in the yard getting rained on. It's safer to find a car in apparent reasonable condition or a write off on account of expensive cosmetic damage to the rear, or something mechanical, but nothing major near the engine bay like no fire, floods, big front end smashes etc.
So what do we think boys? Any holes in this reasoning? Anything I've not considered or addressed? Any further thought or comments on this?
freddofrog
won 16.4k on Euro lottery :)
No .... No .... No further thoughts, but a well-deserved rep point coming your way
Ok, I've heard back. I'm more or less right, but the confusion doesn't come from misunderstanding, just crossed wires (no pun intended) about TSX ECUs, Flashpro Kits and such like.
He reckons the Euro Spec Accords don't have a CAN Bus wiring plug, however, I've linked him to the link I put in my above post which seems to show a CAN Bus socket in the driver footwell :unsure: . So this is a little uncertain.
But either way, it's not crucial as both he and people in that linked thread discuss wiring directly to the ECU sockets from the DLC (OBD) socket. I'm a thousand times more confident with soldering than I am with heavy mechanical work (always soldering things at work), so this seems cool to me.
So you take the Grey cable in Pin 14 of the OBD socket and move it to Pin 1 as previously mentioned. Then you connect the following to the ECU "E" Connector:
11 - CANH on ECU Connector to DLC (OBD) Pin 6
24 - CANL on ECU Connector to DLC (OBD) Pin 14
Otherwise, all is correct. You do this wiring modification. It does nothing to affect your car's drivability (it's simply so the OBD immobiliser restore function is on the right contact for the new ECU). You take your car to Honda, give them the new ECU, they encode it for you and job done. Then you put your old one back in while you mail your new one to F6had who works his magic. When you get it back, your car goes like stink, revs to 8K and batters unassuming German cars of similar size :lol: .
He said he's got some pictures of his modified ECU connectors. I've asked if I can get a copy of his pictures, just for reassurance. But this sounds like we're there guys. You can put a facelift ECU in a pre-facelift CL9/CM2, and all you need to do is add two cables to your car's wiring and move one connector on the OBD socket. Sound pretty straight forward to me.
Oh, and while he doesn't guarantee it, he can't see why a CL9 wouldn't work in a CM2. Kind of figures given the only main difference is the back half of the car .
He reckons the Euro Spec Accords don't have a CAN Bus wiring plug, however, I've linked him to the link I put in my above post which seems to show a CAN Bus socket in the driver footwell :unsure: . So this is a little uncertain.
But either way, it's not crucial as both he and people in that linked thread discuss wiring directly to the ECU sockets from the DLC (OBD) socket. I'm a thousand times more confident with soldering than I am with heavy mechanical work (always soldering things at work), so this seems cool to me.
So you take the Grey cable in Pin 14 of the OBD socket and move it to Pin 1 as previously mentioned. Then you connect the following to the ECU "E" Connector:
11 - CANH on ECU Connector to DLC (OBD) Pin 6
24 - CANL on ECU Connector to DLC (OBD) Pin 14
Otherwise, all is correct. You do this wiring modification. It does nothing to affect your car's drivability (it's simply so the OBD immobiliser restore function is on the right contact for the new ECU). You take your car to Honda, give them the new ECU, they encode it for you and job done. Then you put your old one back in while you mail your new one to F6had who works his magic. When you get it back, your car goes like stink, revs to 8K and batters unassuming German cars of similar size :lol: .
He said he's got some pictures of his modified ECU connectors. I've asked if I can get a copy of his pictures, just for reassurance. But this sounds like we're there guys. You can put a facelift ECU in a pre-facelift CL9/CM2, and all you need to do is add two cables to your car's wiring and move one connector on the OBD socket. Sound pretty straight forward to me.
Oh, and while he doesn't guarantee it, he can't see why a CL9 wouldn't work in a CM2. Kind of figures given the only main difference is the back half of the car
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freddofrog
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I'm confused as to when 7th gen facelift came along.
Put it another way, from the part number research that I did on the Lings website, which of the following is facelift ?
CM2 2003/2004 ................37820-RBG-305
CM2 2005 ..........................37851-RBB-000
CM2 2006/2007/2008 .....37820-RBG-E05
CL7 2003/2004 ................37820-RBB-307
CL7 2005 ..........................37820-RBB-E04
CL7 2006/2007/2008 .....37820-RBB-E06
And if none of them are CAN bus, does this mean that no re-wiring would be required if we found one of these in a scrapper ?
And finally, is Steve in effect talking about how to put an 8th gen ECU in a 7th gen car ?
F6had, I don't understand. Can you expand please?
Is there simply no CAN Bus protocol in the setup of the ECU? What does that mean in terms of the proposed wiring solutions for the CAN bus? I guess we don't need to do that.
This just poses the question, what about the immobiliser coding? Would that need to be changed on the OBD as per the suggestion? Or as we're not doing the CAN wiring, should we leave the immobiliser in the pin it's in on the OBD?
I don't believe so Brian. I think we're still on track, but possibly still have some confusion between TSX ECU fitting and Facelift ECU European ECU fitting.
What i mean is that when writing to 7th gen ECU's, CAN protocol is not available, it's normally just K-Line.
But to be fair you seem to have researched this much more than I have so I'm open to all ideas. Really we need to establish whether a post facelift ECU will go into a Pre Facelift and just need imo coding.. I don't know the answer myself.
But to be fair you seem to have researched this much more than I have so I'm open to all ideas. Really we need to establish whether a post facelift ECU will go into a Pre Facelift and just need imo coding.. I don't know the answer myself.
Hmmm, I'm not sure man, this is all getting rather too heavy for my limited knowledge. CAN Busses? K-Line? It all really goes over my head if I'm honest.
But I'm at the point where I'm considering keeping my eyes open for a reasonably priced ECU and if one comes up, I'll just buy it and go for broke. If it works, great, if not, I'll sell it on...
But I'm at the point where I'm considering keeping my eyes open for a reasonably priced ECU and if one comes up, I'll just buy it and go for broke. If it works, great, if not, I'll sell it on...
freddofrog
won 16.4k on Euro lottery :)
^ Steve, it's all data comms stuff.
If you look on the back of an older PC, there's a connector known as RS232, which is a very old point-to-point serial data comms (capable of 3 wire).
Once you go from point-to-point, you get into Bus systems. A Bus system is where all devices are connected together on the same wires, and rely on CSMA techniques (Carrier Sense Multiple Access), which means that when a signal is detected on the bus, all devices listen to see if the message is for them, and wait to transmit when there is no signal on the bus. Ethernet is a common bus system in computer networks, although with routers and swtiches it often ends up point-to-point. WiFi is also a wireless ethernet bus system.
Aircraft have been using something called ARINC 429 for a long time, which is a 2-wire bus system, and it works very well over long bundled lengths of wire. Next time you're sitting in a seat in an aircraft, look up at the panels, behind the panels there are bundles of wires carrying all sorts of signals, some of which are ARINC 429.
The trouble with car sytems is that data comms was an evolving area, here are all the OBD data definitions (mostly point-to-pont). It looks like K-line is a derivative of good-old RS232.
CAN bus was started by Bosch, and has also found use in some industrial areas. It seems that CAN bus is now the preferred car system.
EDIT: interestingly, it looks like CAN bus uses a heirarchical protocol, so it doesn't rely on CSMA. Clever
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If you look on the back of an older PC, there's a connector known as RS232, which is a very old point-to-point serial data comms (capable of 3 wire).
Once you go from point-to-point, you get into Bus systems. A Bus system is where all devices are connected together on the same wires, and rely on CSMA techniques (Carrier Sense Multiple Access), which means that when a signal is detected on the bus, all devices listen to see if the message is for them, and wait to transmit when there is no signal on the bus. Ethernet is a common bus system in computer networks, although with routers and swtiches it often ends up point-to-point. WiFi is also a wireless ethernet bus system.
Aircraft have been using something called ARINC 429 for a long time, which is a 2-wire bus system, and it works very well over long bundled lengths of wire. Next time you're sitting in a seat in an aircraft, look up at the panels, behind the panels there are bundles of wires carrying all sorts of signals, some of which are ARINC 429.
The trouble with car sytems is that data comms was an evolving area, here are all the OBD data definitions (mostly point-to-pont). It looks like K-line is a derivative of good-old RS232.
CAN bus was started by Bosch, and has also found use in some industrial areas. It seems that CAN bus is now the preferred car system.
EDIT: interestingly, it looks like CAN bus uses a heirarchical protocol, so it doesn't rely on CSMA. Clever
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Cool, that does make things a little clearer. Thanks man. So CAN Bus is potentially the future, but it's not in our European Accords circa 2003-2008?
Therefore the CAN Bus stuff I've mentioned is actually not relevant to our cars, but more the TSX ECUs that people buy for the Hondata Flashpro route?
So now I'm thinking about seeing if the OBD sockets have the same pinouts. If so, then I'm willing to bet it'll work.
Therefore the CAN Bus stuff I've mentioned is actually not relevant to our cars, but more the TSX ECUs that people buy for the Hondata Flashpro route?
So now I'm thinking about seeing if the OBD sockets have the same pinouts. If so, then I'm willing to bet it'll work.
freddofrog
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There's also another throw of the dice available.
About a week ago I looked up the Honda UK contact page and filled out a form asking the difference between 38720-RBG-E01 and 37820-RBG-305 but I never got a reply. I'm not going to phone them.
So what I'll do is write to them, asking the following:
1. what is the difference between 38720-RBG-E01 in our cars and 37820-RBG-305 listed as the replacement new part.
2. Are all 7th gen CM2 replacement engine ECU's (37820-RBG-305, 37851-RBB-000, 37820-RBG-E05) now rewritable, and if so what exactly is rewritable and how is this achieved.
3. Can I have a pin-out of the connectors on 37820-RBG-305, 37851-RBB-000, 37820-RBG-E05
4. Are the corresponding CL7 ECU's 37820-RBB-307, 37820-RBB-E04, 37820-RBB-E06 the same as CM2, apart from the maps.
EDIT: item 3 is the key piece of information, once we have the connector pin-outs, it will be possible to decide wiring differences from year to year. Then when getting an ECU from a K24 scrapper, if the ECU part-number is "strange", the year of the VIN will most likely indicate the connector pin-outs on the ECU.
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About a week ago I looked up the Honda UK contact page and filled out a form asking the difference between 38720-RBG-E01 and 37820-RBG-305 but I never got a reply. I'm not going to phone them.
So what I'll do is write to them, asking the following:
1. what is the difference between 38720-RBG-E01 in our cars and 37820-RBG-305 listed as the replacement new part.
2. Are all 7th gen CM2 replacement engine ECU's (37820-RBG-305, 37851-RBB-000, 37820-RBG-E05) now rewritable, and if so what exactly is rewritable and how is this achieved.
3. Can I have a pin-out of the connectors on 37820-RBG-305, 37851-RBB-000, 37820-RBG-E05
4. Are the corresponding CL7 ECU's 37820-RBB-307, 37820-RBB-E04, 37820-RBB-E06 the same as CM2, apart from the maps.
EDIT: item 3 is the key piece of information, once we have the connector pin-outs, it will be possible to decide wiring differences from year to year. Then when getting an ECU from a K24 scrapper, if the ECU part-number is "strange", the year of the VIN will most likely indicate the connector pin-outs on the ECU.
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Well, I queried the CAN Bus (or lack of) in 7th gens and he said:
"From what I know, CAN Bus is needed on the facelift models to be able to speak properly to the dash and security system for coding. In the older ecu's the dash doesn't really talk back to the ecu, only really takes info, while in the ones with CAN Bus the dash speaks back and things just talk faster."
If this is correct, would a facelift ECU not expect CAN Bus signals and likely throw a strop (error codes) if it's not getting signals it should be? Or would it not really matter much?
The more I seem to know about this, the more confused I get and the less likely I see it working! I think I might still just keep my eyes open for a cheap ECU and go the trial and error route.
"From what I know, CAN Bus is needed on the facelift models to be able to speak properly to the dash and security system for coding. In the older ecu's the dash doesn't really talk back to the ecu, only really takes info, while in the ones with CAN Bus the dash speaks back and things just talk faster."
If this is correct, would a facelift ECU not expect CAN Bus signals and likely throw a strop (error codes) if it's not getting signals it should be? Or would it not really matter much?
The more I seem to know about this, the more confused I get and the less likely I see it working! I think I might still just keep my eyes open for a cheap ECU and go the trial and error route.
freddofrog
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I reckon so Steve, I think we're dead in the water on this.
I'll still write to Honda UK for details.
freddofrog
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38720-RBG-E01 on mine and on Steve's.
Mine is manual, I think Steve's is too.
Both cars manufactured in 2003 (though mine is a 54 plate)
Mine is manual, I think Steve's is too.
Both cars manufactured in 2003 (though mine is a 54 plate)
^ What he said. Are you working on something Fahad ?
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freddofrog
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Steve amazing work on your research. Just my input but we can put tsx 07-08 Ecus in our preface lifts, these are can bus can be coded and then later tuned with flashpro, there is no problem with can bus being preset. For that reason you shouldn't have a problem putting in a 05 UK ecu with can bus, Steves research and instructions would seem correct. Just move and add correct wires, code the ecu and tune
Only thing I can see is flashpro has the ability to turn off some aspects ie sensors like secondary O2 which the 05 ecu may not be able too. I can ask my buddy who is running a tsx ecu if he had any check lights after coding and before flashpro!
Only thing I can see is flashpro has the ability to turn off some aspects ie sensors like secondary O2 which the 05 ecu may not be able too. I can ask my buddy who is running a tsx ecu if he had any check lights after coding and before flashpro!
Holy Thread Resurrection Batman :lol: . I've kind of put this on the back burner for now. A couple of members have had their pre facelift ECUs tuned. It is possible, you just need to speak to the right people. They've written threads about it somewhere, but it's why this thread just fizzled out, as while we were in the thick of it, someone got their 2003 ECU remapped. I believe it was in Ireland. I know there's a guy up north too at XO Tuning. For all the effort of faffing etc, you could just get yourself to the right guy to tune it.
Haha it's not that old lol only just stumbled across it! Yeah but who wants to travel half the country for a re-map by the right guy?! Think it's still worth persuing really although I think i'm going the flashpro route for live mapping.