VSA Modulator Light

[kokkss]

Actualy post above is the way to go.
Paper clip can solve code 84-01, did this few months ago. VSA unit needs to be reset, only HIM can do it as well as reset ABSVSA codes. Afterwards TCS system needs to be calibrated, HDS or HIM to be used, not sure. If you are confident enough, grab a paper clip and get that job done yourself.

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[dani_r]

Thank you for the replies I will have a look at getting the codes off today and report back isn't worth resetting the codes before reading them?

 

[Jon_G]

Thank you for the replies I will have a look at getting the codes off today and report back isn't worth resetting the codes before reading them?

Yes, definitely... there could easily be loads of old stored codes that do not relate to the current problem. I'd delete them all first, then see if any fault returns, if/when it does then the code will pinpoint the current problem (hopefully just a code 84).

Good luck!

 

[dani_r]

Hi guys - quick update on progress so it turns out that the garage replaced the motor and pump but not the ECU (Is this the normal procedure?). The codes were cleared as per instructions and an 84 and 66 code remained. Did the VSA neutral trick with the paperclip etc. The 84 code is gone (I did another code clear which may have been coincidental ). However the VSA light remains on

The VSA neutral trick resulted in a couple of flashes from the triangle but nothing else. The ABS light has never been an issue etc.

I'm now left with a code 66 still and no idea what's next. I've booked in to a Honda garage to see what they can find but I'm wondering if it's the ABS ECU that's at fault possibly? Or a dodgy unit from BBAReman?

Any ideas?

Thanks again

 

[woodie]

Hi guys - quick update on progress so it turns out that the garage replaced the motor and pump but not the ECU (Is this the normal procedure?).

no they have wrecked it they did not need to open it up all they should have done was swop complete old unit with complete recon unit

 

[Jon_G]

Code 66 indicates that the internal sensor in the pump/controller has failed. Odd, given that you have apparently had a recon'd unit fitted.

 

[dani_r]

It was a bit bizarre to be honest. I thought the pump/motor/ECU was one complete unit? But when I rang BBAReman they said they sent a motor/pump refurb but no ECU? I literally have no idea what they've done to be honest.

 

[dani_r]

The MOT is due on 2nd Nov and running out of ideas (and money and patience...)

 

[dani_r]

no they have wrecked it they did not need to open it up all they should have done was swop complete old unit with complete recon unit

This is what I was thinking. Having not seen the parts in question in person I'm a bit in the dark to be honest. Would help if I could have seen the parts. What to do? BBA said that they have obviously tested the pressure switch etc on the exchange unit and all was working before it left them (of course).

 

[dani_r]

no they have wrecked it they did not need to open it up all they should have done was swop complete old unit with complete recon unit

This is what I was thinking. Having not seen the parts in question in person I'm a bit in the dark to be honest. Would help if I could have seen the parts. What to do? BBA said that they have obviously tested the pressure switch etc on the exchange unit and all was working before it left them (of course).

 

[woodie]

ABS and VSA is complete unit with every part inside and a recon unit is a recon unit , not bits and pieces for someone to stuff inside another unit
did you get receipt saying what you pay for ?
did you not see what they send ?
if they send out bits then warranty difficult to apply after bits put into unit

 

[Jon_G]

BBA Reman have been successfully used by TA members before to refurbish their VSA/ABS controller after suffering a code 66 failure. They dismantle the controller to replace the internal sensor, then test the unit (so far as I know, that's all the refurbishment includes).

Either BBA Reman have supplied a faulty unit or, as Woodie suggests, the garage damaged it during refitting.

 

[dani_r]

Okay no worries thanks chaps. I think Im going to book it in at honda.....

 

[Jon_G]

Okay no worries thanks chaps. I think Im going to book it in at honda.....

I'm worried that the bill could be more than the car is worth, but good luck.

 

[dani_r]

I know what you mean. What was interesting was when I spoke to the service department at honda yesterday they said they usually send off to BBA to refurb the units rather than fit a new one which i thought was odd. They priced it at around what I've already paid (£550). In guessing that's with refurbing my own unit rather than replacement and the rest is labour. We shall see! I've already paid for a refurb unit and won't be paying for another! I'll keep you posted

 

[Jon_G]

I know what you mean. What was interesting was when I spoke to the service department at honda yesterday they said they usually send off to BBA to refurb the units rather than fit a new one which i thought was odd. They priced it at around what I've already paid (£550). In guessing that's with refurbing my own unit rather than replacement and the rest is labour. We shall see! I've already paid for a refurb unit and won't be paying for another! I'll keep you posted

I don't understand why you can't claim against either the garage or BBA Reman?

 

[honda_saj]

I would replace with a second hand unit would have been cheaper option I have fitted one of these units before in a diesel

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[honda_saj]

You should have spent around £100 to buy a clone hds unit to diagnose and test was new unit calibrated after fitting ?

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[ExpandWeiner]

Maybe I should make this into a new thread, but oh well. Having read all the pages of this living nightmare, I've had an interesting thought. Given that the diesel variant of the 7th gen accord uses a German made Bosch unit, and the petrol variant uses an unit from Japan, which is more reliable, wouldn't it make sense to try to swap in a VSA/ABS pump from a petrol accord? To me, it seems insane to spend this kind of money for such a fragile thing that might break down the line too, if it hasn't been modified (not sure if there's a way to know that it was). I bet no one is covered under any kind of warranty at this point too. There's probably a good reason why Honda decided to have separate units for the two variants, but how different could they be?

 

[Channel Hopper]

You will find there are completely different wiring looms, braking components and ECUs on the diesel and petrol cars.

I doubt Honda actually had much of a hand in the design of the brake systems of each variant myself, leaving it to the experts in the caliper and sensor fields, simply organising the logistics of supply and ***embly plant fitting around them.

 

[longshanks1]

as i was started my car today,the vsa light came up on the dashboard and stayed on,i tried presssin the button but it still stayed on, i tried taking rthe key out and everything but its still there :lol: im getiing kinda worried now as iv read the other threads and some said it could be the faulty bosch module(since mine is diesel)is this correct...??? sorry guys but worring me know,will this effect my car,should i stop driving it,should i take it to honda,someone also said brake sensor(my front pads are getting low)so will this effect it, or is a diagnostis machine requires(garage has snap on one)i hope some knows whats going on....so any help is greatly appriciated....thanks guys...mo..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

as i was started my car today,the vsa light came up on the dashboard and stayed on,i tried presssin the button but it still stayed on, i tried taking rthe key out and everything but its still there :lol: im getiing kinda worried now as iv read the other threads and some said it could be the faulty bosch module(since mine is diesel)is this correct...??? sorry guys but worring me know,will this effect my car,should i stop driving it,should i take it to honda,someone also said brake sensor(my front pads are getting low)so will this effect it, or is a diagnostis machine requires(garage has snap on one)i hope some knows whats going on....so any help is greatly appriciated....thanks guys...mo..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I had the same problem its not an MOT failure , its probably where all the brake pipes go under the bonnet , in that unit there is electronics and a part Honda know about , but wont do anything about it , on mine the ABS light came on as well and that is an MOT failure if you want it repairing there is a firm called BBA Reman , its about £200 and odd .

 

[taccoman]

So I had the dreaded VSA light come up on my Accord, the MOT station said I needed a new modulator but couldn't do the repair and I also confirmed code 66 using the blink code, reset obviously didn't work. I think the MOT station already tried that for me anyway. I was in 2 minds about whether to try and do this myself but thought, hmmm it will probably take too long, I'll probably get brake fluid everywhere and the brakes might not work properly after I'm done..... Guess what happened after I took it to the garage!

3 weeks of waiting, brake fluid leaking everywhere and brakes don't work properly!

Oh yeah and the garage increased the price 3 times so ended up around double the initial estimate, wasn't happy but would have let it go except given the repair is now bad after 20 miles driving or whatever I'm trying to get them to accept responsibility for the bad repair. It passed the MOT of course but this added to the confusion as it initially seemed like the repair had been done, brakes felt wonky but I convinced myself it was just bedding in or something that would clear up, guess I was naive enough to believe no garage would return a car with such a potentially dangerous fault on it. Of course if I had ***umed the worst about the garage to begin with I never would have let them do the repair in the first place. The more I look into this the more it looks like they are just straight up dishonest and negligent on top of it.

I initially called them on the phone and said I needed a VSA modulator replacement they confirmed about 400-500+VAT which seemed OK. I specifically asked for this repair in writing but they somehow changed it to a 'brake vacuum pressure sensor' which they claimed was an external part only available from the dealer, same basic price though. I kept asking is this the VSA module we're talking about because afaik the pressure sensor is in the module. Should have known better but figured better let them get on with it as driving a car around without MOT is potentially asking for trouble I mean do they just issue fines and make you argue it out in court or what, to best of my knowledge they tend to ***ume your guilty and make you argue your innocence at your expense and time (thought it was supposed to be the other way of course!). Plus what do you do, do you keep going round paying a diagnostic fee etc. to get the same info you already have until you get a quote you like the sound of, not entirely sure what works except knowing a garage that you can trust to do the job in the first place except apparently most ordinary garages don't do this job or only do it for specific make.

Anyway everything I'm now hearing is that there is no separate 'brake vacuum pressure sensor' on the Honda Accord 07 2.2 Diesel and that I was correct in what I originally understood that the sensor is in the VSA module and that the garage have lied to me. Of course I'd like to get that in writing from someone which is probably going to be a hard job, I tried to start a new post but couldn't so posted a reply here instead and see at least if there is any legitimate £500 'brake vacuum pressure sensor' repair that would normally be done before the VSA module is replaced.

Next issue appears to be the fact they charged for a recon unit and looks like fitted some seriously sub standard junk, just now understanding a recon unit should have a new warranty sticker on it with the service company name etc. I probably should have been paying more attention, the sticker looks like a piece of crap and I should have ***umed they cheated me but I didn't as I had no idea what it should have looked like or that the recon company even stick a new sticker on there. Just thought it was some old unit they'd repaired and returned but now ***uming the worst I looked up the sticker because it's slightly unusual and totally different to my original which had the 'H' Honda logo on it. It appears to have 3 lines of text on a silver sticker 2nd line is 'Warranty void if opened' 3rd is German equivalent. From everything I have read this is from the batch of faulty units that must now be very old and can't even believe they would have found a working one for sale, plus seems no honest garage would try and fit one. Of course again I'd love to have that in writing but not sure if I can be so lucky!

 

[taccoman]

Also I think this bit of irony is typical of the UK's wonderful ethics. I had a car that was IMHO totally safe to drive that failed the MOT and following the rules I've ended up with a car that is probably not safe to drive that passed the MOT!