Normal servicing still cannot stop faults developing which are unique to the diesel accord. That is a universal fact which is applicable to other cars and engine. Regularly service does pre-long the reliability of the car but it doesn't make it immune from faults.
CJ I am in totally agree with you on this.
it again boils down to the good old perception dealers are perceived as robbers incompetence , cannot diagnose faults let alone fix it .. so a independent will be better bet their costs are low , so if he is not able to fix it at least it didn't rob me !! ...but it doesn't matter the car is still not running right..I have saved money thou that important..
CJ I see where you are coming from, however as Ed mentioned a little earlier in the thread, I too used to service my own car, many years ago, then they brought computers in, things got more complicated, I got more money and certainly my last five cars have been main dealer serviced all the time. All of this time I have advocated using genuine parts, not wasting time with independents, just get it to the dealer if you have a problem.
Then you start to notice things, simple things like pollen filters not replaced, oil overfilled, some people haven't had their diesel filters changed etc, this all has a bearing on the "Perception of the main dealer "
Notwithstanding this however please note that I personally will be taking both our Accords to Holdcroft for any future service work or fault finding, as since seeing them in action I know I can 100% trust them to do what they say they will do and many members I would imagine say the same, but equally I think many people would say Holdcroft is one of a select few of excellent dealers.
As you are aware there are many dealerships that Honda are parting company with and it is most likely these dealers that have caused an increase in the distrust of the main dealer.
now this issue the guys see on the diesel will baffle the independent garage as he would haven't seen this issue on other car to make a comparison . They don't have access to tip and hints which Honda dealers have at their disposal , regular updates from the factory in terms of software updates , TSB access & new fix methods,
If you didn't have dealers or support from manufacturers could these independents actually fix this issue no WAY. So that why when the independents or enthusiasts have has wasted 4 hours and cannot figure whats doing on they send the car to the dealers..
with a track record of fixing issues.
Again personally I agree with you here wholeheartedly, however as Fahad has mentioned with this particular issue, many of the people having this problem have took there's to a dealer for example in this thread
EGR Valve Maybe
Waj on post #27 states
"Took the car to honda today, the mechanic drove it and at first he couldn't find the hesitation but after a while he felt it and said it was definitely there. Now he thinks its like a miss when a petrol car misses because of faulty spark plugs etc so he said not 100% sure but thinks it could be a clogged injector.
He also hooked up the Honda Diagnostic System but said no fault codes, so he said he was going to contact Honda Technical, tell them the problem and they will then go from there. He also said that Honda Technical may know of a problem like this with the high mileage of the car but if not then they will have to take it for a road test with live data and see if they can fix it from the live data reading. "
The biggest problem was that it was intermittent fault and certainly in my case would only be there when the engine was cold and it would not produce a fault code until the MIL light was on. It was only when Waj actually had the MIL light come on and get the fault code , together with by chance un-clipping the Solenoid and finding that the hesitation stopped, that it all came to light.
There is one final point to all this of course which is that some people, like yourself, like to get their hands dirty occasionally, granted not all as experienced as yourself, but either through general interest, distrust, or budget or some other strange reason !
CJ, All in all deep down I think you are a bit jealous that all us diesel guys had an issue to solve, whereas you petrol guys only have to think about where you can get your next Vtec hit!! :lol: :lol:
Most of that is true CJ, but a lot of the cars being discussed in this thread have been to the dealers and they couldn't diagnose it. Remember how long Paul (The Bobby) spent at Hepworth, who are supposed to be a really good dealer. If they had checked the TSB's and spoken to Honda, they might have checked the solenoid valve instead of wasting his money on recoding injectors and replacing an EGR valve.
Nevertheless, great work lads - this is one of the most valuable threads in here now B)
Fahad I genuinely don't think this would have been such a big thread with as many views, if many of the dealers had read the TSB's and hopefully with Honda parting company and sorting it's representatives out, it will restore a lot more faith in dealers and stop us upsetting our good CJ
In all honesty though I don't think there is a massive distrust, in the dealers (not Honda anyway), but clearly being a forum you are more likely to read horror stories than "took the car in for a service today and was really impressed, the car feels brand new" in fact you could get banned from trolling, as always it is a select few that spoil it for the rest
